Last time a VP cost a state?

[bobloblaw]

I said concerning swithboating, attack ads being launched against Kerry.

Edwards wasn't the Joe Biden to go out there, like Biden did against Palin and Paul Ryan, that can simply go after others in which a VP should have.  Biden was simply the best attack dog out there next to Dick Cheney.  Which Edwards was clearly not.

Bob Graham or Warner would have went to task with Cheney on the Abu Gharib prison abuse, in which Bob Graham was clearly good at.

Wouldnt make any difference.

BTW in retrospect, I would have loved it had Kerry won OH.

Unlike 2000, he would have lost the popular vote not by 500,000 but by over 3 million. The loser would have won nearly 51% of the popular vote. A clear majority would have voted Bush. Kerry gets to deal with Iraq and in the middle of his 2008 campaign (he might have been challenged within his own party by Obama or Hillary), the Financial Crash. We'd be looking at 12 years of GOP presidents.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Kerry would have to have dealt with that, but the surplus was eaten away by the tax cuts for the rich, which Kerry would of had to stopped. And economy downward spiral continued under 4 more years of Bush.

Katrina would have been handled much better and country would have been spared of Cheney scandles. History will decide if tax cuts for wealthy helped led to 2008 economic crash, but Edwards was overrated by Frum. Which he acknowledged afterward.

[bobloblaw]

Kerry would have to have dealt with that, but the surplus was eaten away by the tax cuts for the rich, which Kerry would of had to stopped. And economy downward spiral continued under 4 more years of Bush.

Katrina would have been handled much better and country would have been spared of Cheney scandles. History will decide if tax cuts for wealthy helped led to 2008 economic crash, but Edwards was overrated by Frum. Which he acknowledged afterward.

You mean the media would have spun Katrina in Kerry's favor.
BTW those tax cuts for the rich have been made permanent by Obama. Only the top .1% have had their taxes increased.

What Cheney scandals??

The housing meltdown and great recession werent caused by tax cuts. You need to stop being such a partisan hack. The housing crisis which lead to the financial crisis of 2008, was like all crisises a monetary phenomenon. The Fed created too much liquidity in the aftermath of 9-11 and the Dot.com bubble bursting. That liquidity found its way into the housing market. Banks lent money to people who couldnt repay loans. Those banks would securitize those loans and resell them. AIG was a big buyer. When those loans failed, they pulled down large institutions and banks, resulting in a credit collapse. I also think $140 oil played a role as well. The Great Recession's seeds were planted back in the early 2000s, long before the Jan 20, 2005 when Kerry would have been president.

[Sumner 1868]

Kerry would have to have dealt with that, but the surplus was eaten away by the tax cuts for the rich, which Kerry would of had to stopped. And economy downward spiral continued under 4 more years of Bush.

Katrina would have been handled much better and country would have been spared of Cheney scandles. History will decide if tax cuts for wealthy helped led to 2008 economic crash, but Edwards was overrated by Frum. Which he acknowledged afterward.

You mean the media would have spun Katrina in Kerry's favor.
BTW those tax cuts for the rich have been made permanent by Obama. Only the top .1% have had their taxes increased.

What Cheney scandals??

The housing meltdown and great recession werent caused by tax cuts. You need to stop being such a partisan hack. The housing crisis which lead to the financial crisis of 2008, was like all crisises a monetary phenomenon. The Fed created too much liquidity in the aftermath of 9-11 and the Dot.com bubble bursting. That liquidity found its way into the housing market. Banks lent money to people who couldnt repay loans. Those banks would securitize those loans and resell them. AIG was a big buyer. When those loans failed, they pulled down large institutions and banks, resulting in a credit collapse. I also think $140 oil played a role as well. The Great Recession's seeds were planted back in the early 2000s, long before the Jan 20, 2005 when Kerry would have been president.

Oh, irony.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Kerry would have to have dealt with that, but the surplus was eaten away by the tax cuts for the rich, which Kerry would of had to stopped. And economy downward spiral continued under 4 more years of Bush.

Katrina would have been handled much better and country would have been spared of Cheney scandles. History will decide if tax cuts for wealthy helped led to 2008 economic crash, but Edwards was overrated by Frum. Which he acknowledged afterward.

You mean the media would have spun Katrina in Kerry's favor.
BTW those tax cuts for the rich have been made permanent by Obama. Only the top .1% have had their taxes increased.

What Cheney scandals??

The housing meltdown and great recession werent caused by tax cuts. You need to stop being such a partisan hack. The housing crisis which lead to the financial crisis of 2008, was like all crisises a monetary phenomenon. The Fed created too much liquidity in the aftermath of 9-11 and the Dot.com bubble bursting. That liquidity found its way into the housing market. Banks lent money to people who couldnt repay loans. Those banks would securitize those loans and resell them. AIG was a big buyer. When those loans failed, they pulled down large institutions and banks, resulting in a credit collapse. I also think $140 oil played a role as well. The Great Recession's seeds were planted back in the early 2000s, long before the Jan 20, 2005 when Kerry would have been president.

No, the capital gains tax cuts were made pernament, persons making over 500k and estate tax were reinstated.

Kerry would have made a fine president, I didn't say it would have haulted the 2008 recession, it would have made it less severe. Democrats would have had to reclaim the House to recscend the Bush tax cuts in 2006, anyways.  But estates tax would have been restored, enough McCains in the senate would have  pushed through an estate tax increase, if they reclaimed the senate on millionaire estates.

Cheney was responsible for Waterboarding and torture at Abu Ghraib. Scotty Libby and Karl Rove had to leave office of outing Valerie Plame's covert secret identity as a CIA agent and Libby was Cheney's chief of staff. 

No one outside Bush administration liked Cheney, that's why Kerry almost won, anyways.

[MATTROSE94]

Mondale probably would've won Massachusetts and Rhode Island if he had picked someone other than Ferraro

I agree that Geraldine Ferraro wasn't a great VP pick. I feel that if Walter Mondale had picked ether Mario Cuomo or Gary Hart as his running-mate instead, he would have had a good chance at picking up Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, West Virginia, Maryland and Hawaii and also might have kept Ronald Reagan at about 56-57% of the PV.

[bobloblaw]

IDK who McCain would have chosen if he decided not to go with Palin, but if he chose somebody reasonable like Romney or Giuliani, he definitely would have won IN/NC and maybe FL or VA with a little luck.

Nope, not FL not VA. There is way way to much emphasis place on individual personalities. Was FL's PVI in 2008 much more D than it was in 2004 and 2000? No it wasnt.

To determine if a VP had an impact, you look at a state's PVI in that election and compare it to the last 3-4 elections.

An example was MD in 1988. MD's PVI in 1988 was D+2.5 versus 1984 when it was D+7. So something caused MD to be much more pro-Bush than it was pro-Reagan. My guess was Willie Horton. When he got his weekend pass, he went to MD and raped and assaulted a couple there. It was major news and Dukakis got the blame.