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« on: March 10, 2015, 10:49:29 AM »

+9 on Walker, + 10 on Jeb, + 8 on Rand and Rubio.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 10:52:49 AM »

In before all the Dem excitement and lustfulness begins....
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 10:53:42 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 11:13:35 AM »

Based on this and the OH poll, it seems Walker is a rather poor candidate for the Midwest. The establishment should try to draft Kasich.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 12:50:13 PM »

John Kasich has a fine record as Governor but there's a huge flaw with him that makes him unelectable: he slouches.  It looks like his shoulders are up to his ear with no neck all the time. This matters more than record. He's going to bomb like Nixon did in 1960 for it.

Walker is still the GOP's best hope. Polls like these just show how much of an upset Hillary losing would have to be.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 02:01:43 PM »

Even Biden is beating him. F*&^%^G midterm cycle.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 02:05:26 PM »

Elizabeth Warren beats Walker as well.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 02:09:12 PM »

Elizabeth Warren beats Walker as well.

That surprised me, especially with her at 48%. Warren hardly ever polls over 45% anywhere due to lack of name recognition. Is the WI Dem floor just that high?
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 02:26:26 PM »

Elizabeth Warren beats Walker as well.

That surprised me, especially with her at 48%. Warren hardly ever polls over 45% anywhere due to lack of name recognition. Is the WI Dem floor just that high?

Several reasons:
- Yes, the WI Dem floor is that high. It is a Democratic state and NOT a swing state.
- PPP is a Dem-leaning polling firm, after all.
- Warren IS an impressive candidate. I told you all that she would have a great shot at winning the General election. She is a progressive liberal, thus a great fit for WI. However, she would be a VERY poor fit for the South (I can't see her winning Florida against Walker or Bush).
- Walker is quite unpopular.
- WI Dems are very inelastic, to quote Wulfric: They would vote for a deadly virus with a D next to its name over Walker any time.
It is kind of a swing state. Bush should have won Wisconsin in 2004. It would have given him 296 EV.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/states/bushwivisits04.html
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2015, 02:32:46 PM »

John Kasich has a fine record as Governor but there's a huge flaw with him that makes him unelectable: he slouches.  It looks like his shoulders are up to his ear with no neck all the time. This matters more than record. He's going to bomb like Nixon did in 1960 for it.

Walker is still the GOP's best hope. Polls like these just show how much of an upset Hillary losing would have to be.

So you actually support Kasich?

I don't think he should waste his time running. I do think he's a fine Governor.
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2015, 03:01:22 PM »

I'm a bit skeptical of this. It looks too good to be true. Not Hillary leading, but the huge margins.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2015, 04:05:37 PM »


- PPP is a Dem-leaning polling firm, after all.


That crap was fashionable back in 2012.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 04:06:36 PM »

Polls like this will be fun to go back to in two years.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2015, 04:35:17 PM »

But Walker will win once people get to know him! Hillary seems like she's improving on Obama in the midwest.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2015, 05:54:15 PM »

This is one poll, and it's early, but it's a poll where Walker fans can't easily make the "low name recognition" argument. IMO, Wisconsin is a lot like Pennsylvania, in that Republicans constantly try to carry it, but haven't been successful since the 80s (WI's Democratic trend in presidential elections is actually longer the PA's.) I think even with Walker as the nominee, the Republicans would face an uphill climb in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2015, 05:59:45 PM »

Clinton 49%
Bush 39%

Clinton 49%
Carson 38%

Clinton 48%
Christie 39%

Clinton 49%
Cruz 39%

Clinton 47%
Huckabee 40%

Clinton 48%
Paul 42%

Clinton 48%
Perry 40%

Clinton 48%
Rubio 40%

Clinton 52%
Walker 43%

Biden 48%
Walker 45%

Warren 48%
Walker 45%
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 07:13:53 PM »

So not only +9 but Walker is the only candidate that concedes 50+% to Clinton. Hmm
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 07:31:38 PM »

So not only +9 but Walker is the only candidate that concedes 50+% to Clinton. Hmm

I noticed that too... yikes.

Monarch, did you just move from NM to IL, or am I just confused?
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 07:41:10 PM »

The huge reason for Walker was that he can work harder in states like WI, IA, and OH.  CO is very important to the Dems more so than Ohio, because of the NV,CO, PA, NH corridor, but if he can't win in a state like WI, the candidacy won't have a good ending.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 07:50:48 PM »

So not only +9 but Walker is the only candidate that concedes 50+% to Clinton. Hmm

Probably because so many people in Wisconsin are very opinionated about Walker.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 08:43:15 PM »


You really... really, really need to let this go.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 10:20:25 PM »

I suspect that WI may not even be on the GOP battleground spend list for 2016. Even with Ryan on the ticket they didn't put that much into it in 2012.
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2015, 01:22:43 AM »

Christie once again gets the "honor" of being the only candidate disliked across the entire political spectrum:



I suppose he could run as a uniter?
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2015, 01:32:29 AM »

Christie once again gets the "honor" of being the only candidate disliked across the entire political spectrum:



I suppose he could run as a uniter?

What's funny though is that he continues to get higher favorability #s among Democrats than any of the other Republicans.

favorability among Democrats:
Christie: 13%
Bush: 10%
Paul: 8%
Huckabee: 7%
Carson: 4%
Cruz: 4%
Rubio: 4%
Perry 3%

He also gets 7% of Democrats in the Christie vs. Clinton matchup, higher than any other Republican gets.

So his standing among the opposite party is still respectable, at least in contrast to his rivals, but his standing among Republicans and Independents has completely tanked.
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2015, 01:32:55 AM »

Walker could win Wisconsin -- but only if he got an economic miracle. Such would be an inflow of well-paying, non-union jobs. Democrats now see him as a sell-out to out-of-state interests.

If he can't win Wisconsin with a strong and positive Favorite Son effect, then he is not going to win any of the 52 electoral votes of Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, or Minnesota. He's having trouble in Ohio... and no Republican nominee has ever won without Ohio.

The Democratic Firewall is safe with Walker as the Republican nominee.
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