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« Reply #1900 on: March 20, 2017, 03:48:28 PM »
« edited: March 20, 2017, 03:53:51 PM by DavidB. »

Turnout among young people (18-24) down from 77% to 67%; lower educated youths stayed home. Turnout among lower educated youths was 45%, among higher educated youths 85%. Lower educated youths are a PVV demographic, but if they're not even mobilized when turnout is over 80% nationally, the question is what, if anything, will motivate them to go and vote? Damn youths throwing away our future by staying home! 82% of lower educated people and 95% (!) of higher educated people who are 55 and older turned out.

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« Reply #1901 on: March 20, 2017, 11:50:19 PM »

One thing I'm wondering about: which municipality would have seen the lowest "winning" share (and on behalf of which party)?
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« Reply #1902 on: March 21, 2017, 04:14:12 AM »

One thing I'm wondering about: which municipality would have seen the lowest "winning" share (and on behalf of which party)?

From my basic search it seems like its Leewaarden with 15% for the VVD. Rotterdam and Maastricht also delivered pretty small pluralities, close to 16%. A testament to the diversity of types of cultural class you can find in these cities.

On the subject I'm wondering if they release excel sheets of the vote share per gemeente like in Belgium.
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« Reply #1903 on: March 21, 2017, 08:26:16 AM »
« Edited: March 21, 2017, 08:38:38 AM by freek »


On the subject I'm wondering if they release excel sheets of the vote share per gemeente like in Belgium.

Sure. Maybe not today though. The Kiesraad is planning to upgrade its results website sometime this year, not sure if results will still be added to the old website.

Results per municipality 1918 - 2012 you can download here: http://www.verkiezingsuitslagen.nl/Na1918/Verkiezingsuitslagen.aspx?VerkiezingsTypeId=1
(select a year, do not select a province, click 'csv' bottom right).
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« Reply #1904 on: March 21, 2017, 08:37:25 AM »

According to Nederlands Dagblad, there are the final results including numbers of raw votes. Final turnout would be 81.3% (+6.9%).


I think that's not the real final result, but all preliminary results added up. When I add up all final results from the electoral districts, this is my result (not sure if completely correct though):

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VVD 2238256
PvdA 599795
PVV 1372821
SP 955730
CDA 1302156
D66 1285837
ChristenUnie 356277
GroenLinks          959481
SGP 218950
PvdD 335150
50PLUS 327160
Ondernemersp. 12569
VNL 38215
DENK                 216026
Nieuwe Wegen 14365
Forum voor Dem  187179
Burger Beweging   5221
Vrijzinnige P. 2938
GeenPeil 4944
Piratenpartij        35502
Artikel 1 28708
Niet Stemmers 6026
Libertarische P.     1491
Lokaal in de K. 6858
Jezus Leeft      3099
StemNL 527
MenS/BIP/VR 726
VDP 177
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« Reply #1905 on: March 21, 2017, 08:39:50 AM »

How is it possible that some parties have more votes according to ND than in the final results as calculated by you?
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« Reply #1906 on: March 21, 2017, 08:49:52 AM »

Guys, let's just wait for the final results from the national election commission.

The figures are out in 1 hour.
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« Reply #1907 on: March 21, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »

How is it possible that some parties have more votes according to ND than in the final results as calculated by you?

Votes from abroad?
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« Reply #1908 on: March 21, 2017, 09:12:23 AM »

How is it possible that some parties have more votes according to ND than in the final results as calculated by you?
Errors in reporting in preliminary results I guess. Or I made a typo somewhere. Smiley
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« Reply #1909 on: March 21, 2017, 10:15:12 AM »

81.9% turnout. Nice.
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« Reply #1910 on: March 21, 2017, 10:46:34 AM »

Final results:
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« Reply #1911 on: March 21, 2017, 10:55:08 AM »

Seems to be 55-42-3 Right/Left/Center.
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« Reply #1912 on: March 21, 2017, 11:00:49 AM »

D66 won the postal vote (ca. 60.000 votes), but only by a 0.4% margin against the VVD.
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« Reply #1913 on: March 21, 2017, 11:02:08 AM »

This means the percentage of women in parliament has decreased again: from 40.7% (61) in 2010 and 38.7% (58) in 2012 to 36% (54) in 2017. The elected candidate with the fewest votes is Léon de Jong (PVV): 291 votes; 1.760.117 people voted for Mark Rutte. 10.563.456 people cast their vote this year, over than a million more than in 2012, when only 9.462.223 went to the polling station.
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« Reply #1914 on: March 22, 2017, 07:38:49 AM »

Oh God, Djisellbloem is even more stupid than I thought...in an interview to German newspaper FAZ he said:
"During the crisis of the euro, the countries of the North have shown solidarity with the countries affected by the crisis.
As a Social Democrat, I attribute exceptional importance to solidarity. [But] you also have obligations. YOU CAN NOT SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON DRINKS AND WOMEN and then ask for help."

Now all of the European socialists want him out, not sure whether in Netherlands there has been the same reaction.
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« Reply #1915 on: March 22, 2017, 07:50:48 AM »

He would have been out anyway. After the formation is completed we will have a new finance minister and Dijsselbloem can't chair the Eurogroup if he isn't our finance minister. But I wouldn't be surprised if most people here actually agreed with him.
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« Reply #1916 on: March 22, 2017, 11:06:00 AM »

He would have been out anyway. After the formation is completed we will have a new finance minister and Dijsselbloem can't chair the Eurogroup if he isn't our finance minister. But I wouldn't be surprised if most people here actually agreed with him.

That was the parliamentary rhetoric towed by the CDA amongst others. Dijsselbloem was not alone.

This just hastens his departure, but brings him back in favourability as the "unlucky loser" of this election.
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« Reply #1917 on: March 22, 2017, 11:26:47 AM »


And that is sad. Anyway, good riddance to Mr Dijsselbloem.
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« Reply #1918 on: March 22, 2017, 11:41:00 AM »

Now all of the European socialists want him out, not sure whether in Netherlands there has been the same reaction.
The PvdA currently have other things to be concerned with... But I actually don't expect most people in the PvdA to be particularly angry with him over this. The entire incident has been overshadowed by the aftermath of the election, though. Not much coverage for this.
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« Reply #1919 on: March 22, 2017, 11:57:57 AM »

Some news on the formation:

Klaver says that GroenLinks has a obligation to look at a possible VVD-CDA-D66-GL coalition, but that the differences between mainly the VVD and GL are huge. He even wonders whether meaningful negotiations between GL and VVD-CDA-D66 are possible. Definitely doesn't sound like he is very enthusiastic about entering a coalition with the VVD. He might be playing hard to get in order to get a better deal, but I doubt we will be seeing a VVD-CDA-D66-GL coalition.

Meanwhile VVD and CDA have ruled out working with the PVV once more.
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« Reply #1920 on: March 22, 2017, 04:06:41 PM »

Now all of the European socialists want him out, not sure whether in Netherlands there has been the same reaction.
The PvdA currently have other things to be concerned with... But I actually don't expect most people in the PvdA to be particularly angry with him over this. The entire incident has been overshadowed by the aftermath of the election, though. Not much coverage for this.

Well, if you're part of the 5% still voting for PvdA I guess you're ready for anything...
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« Reply #1921 on: March 23, 2017, 06:26:57 AM »
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VVD-CDA-D66-GL will start negotiations and try to form a cabinet. I still think there won't be a VVD-CDA-D66-GL cabinet. The differences are too big, GL knows what happened to the PvdA and VVD-CDA-D66-CU makes more sense. Klaver said that he has a long term project, but governing with the VVD will almost certainly cause GL to lose seats in 2021. In 2021 Klaver will be 35 and more experienced so he could be a serious PM candidate by then if he is succesful in opposition. Entering a centrist cabinet isn't worth it for Klaver imo.
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« Reply #1922 on: March 23, 2017, 11:17:21 AM »

Yeah, I don't get this move either. Stay on the opposition benches as the main leftist party and rise to second (or perhaps 1st?) place in 2021.
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« Reply #1923 on: March 23, 2017, 02:28:05 PM »
« Edited: March 23, 2017, 02:56:38 PM by DavidB. »

Yeah, I don't get this move either. Stay on the opposition benches as the main leftist party and rise to second (or perhaps 1st?) place in 2021.
It's not hard to get this move. The option with GL ("GroenRechts"/GreenRight) needs to be ruled out for a successful formation attempt with CU to take place, otherwise D66 will continue to be a problematic factor. This is just a ritual dance. Everybody knows it's not going to happen, but everybody wants them to try (or to act as if they try). It may take a while, but eventually Klaver will end the negotiations and VVD-CDA-D66 will start forming a government with CU, this time successfully.
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« Reply #1924 on: March 23, 2017, 03:28:48 PM »

Has there ever been a political party in the Netherlands that has been a junior party in a coalition government and NOT been slaughtered in the subsequent election?
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