Why did Hillary win big with Asians?
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TDAS04
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« on: July 24, 2015, 07:04:14 PM »
« edited: July 24, 2015, 08:30:09 PM by TDAS04 »

Hillary carried the Asian-American vote in the California Primary 71-25%.  As with Hispanics, who also strongly backed Clinton in the primaries, Asians still overwhelmingly voted for Obama in the general election.

Why did Asians (outside of Hawaii, probably) support Hillary so overwhelmingly?
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2015, 08:11:14 PM »
« Edited: July 24, 2015, 08:14:55 PM by Hydera »

This is quite easy.

Asians liked the clintons since asian unemployment was extremly low in the 90's when Bill was around.

 and Obama kinda reminded a lot of asians of communism. Especially for the koreans, chinese, vietnamese who have either bad memories or heard about it.

Once Obama didn't turn out to be a radical communist or anything close to that, There was a 11 point increase in the general election in 2012 for support for Obama. Mainly because those voters dropped off from voting.

Asians are socially and economic moderates but fiscal conservative people, and very austere in their household finances, people this would of made them "natural republicans". However their dislike of the GOP stems from the backlash over the Iraq wars. So at best they voted for a moderate democrat who they could identify with, and that was Hillary.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 02:05:34 AM »

and Obama kinda reminded a lot of asians of communism.

Obvious troll is obvious.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 01:07:18 PM »

well..... because Asian really liked bill cliton. and she is a wife of him. that effect i guess
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 06:37:39 PM »

Same reason Obama did.  There is a growing perception that the GOP is a "whites only" party.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 07:40:48 PM »

Same reason Obama did.  There is a growing perception that the GOP is a "whites only" party.

-Dude; this is about the 2008 primary.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2017, 01:25:17 AM »

Same reason Obama did.  There is a growing perception that the GOP is a "whites only" party.

Thanks for bumping this Oldiesfreak---- one of my favorite real Republican avatars on the Forum!   Smiley

So, the original thread was started regarding the 2008 Democratic Primary in Cali, and then how Obama was able to sweep the Asian-American vote in '08 in the General Election.

We had a troll jump in using the typical Asian-American reminds people of Communism schtick because of countries of origin (I'm assuming was that individual's "argument").

Landslide Lyndon jumps in in his/her typical succinct "smack down" style post.

Cue another Troll "Statespoll".... not sure if the dude is around anymore or if he has long since been banned, and regardless not particularly interested.

You resurrect the thread, and then we get a dude (E-Who???) that posts more per day than any other newbie to increase his (?) post count for some odd reason....

Ok---- it appears to be pretty clear if we look at the results of the 2016 Democratic Primary that Clinton performed significantly better than Bernie Sanders among the most heavily Asian-American precincts in the United States..... In the case of California, this is arguably much more of a debatable proposition....

Anyone with some spare time on their hands should take a look at the 2016 California Democratic Primary results, and although my memory is a bit hazy I seem to recall that Asian-American support for Clinton was quite lacking compared to '08 vs Obama.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=238320.950

Bernie currently has won 5 districts: 1, 2, 13, 20, 28.
Check out the demographics of CA-13:
Demographics: 20% African American, 21% Asian, 21% Hispanic, 34% White


Even if Bernie did better among Anglos than Latinos in the state as a whole, he definitely didn't in the Bay Area and Southern California.

Any clue as to how Asians voted?

No real idea about SoCal, but it does appear that Obama did better in '08 among Asian-American communities in Sunset, and heavily Asian-American parts of Silicon Valley in Santa Clara County...

Wouldn't be surprised if the Asian-American and Latino vote in Oakland is what caused the city to vote narrowly Bernie, but again no precinct level data at this point to truly break down ethnic demographics  by neighborhood, and even the LA County city level data has not been updated since ED, so much data lacking.

However, it does appear that upper-income Asian-Americans in both the South Bay & Peninsula in the Bay Area and in SoCal voted like their neighbors overwhelmingly for Clinton. Meanwhile more middle-class Asian-American communities in places like Santa Clara and Milipitas appear to have moved away from Clinton versus '08 numbers.


So, the operative question and relevancy to the '08 and '16 elections, regardless of what I consider to be poor framing from the OP, has much less to do with any kind of personal popularity with Hillary Clinton, than a gradual and increasingly dramatic swing towards the Democratic Party in Presidential voting patterns over the past 20 years....

The Asian-American community is, as most normal (Non-Troll) members of the Forum know extremely diverse in terms of household income levels, country of ancestry, occupational sectors, and geographic locations.....

So, after having inserted classic *anti-Troll* caveat, it seems to be patently clear that in Upper-Income Asian-American communities there was a major swing towards Clinton, similarly to their Anglo neighbors. This appears to be most prevalent in Chinese/Taiwanese-Americans and Indian-American communities in particular.

If we start drilling closer into more traditionally Republican leaning Asian-American Middle-Class constituencies, it appears that there was a possibly equal or greater swing among Vietnamese-Americans.... I could pull up some precincts in outer SE Portland, Santa Clara County California, and Orange County California and we can run some swing numbers on that....

The original question appears to indicate a "personal" level of support for Clinton among Asian-Americans, based solely upon '08 primary results.

The bigger question, is why did Clinton dominate to an unprecedented level among Asian-American voters in '16 GE that include a wide variety of voters of all economic categories and country of ancestry?

Was it primarily a fundamental rejection of the racially exclusive messaging from the Republican nominee, or was it a more fundamental shift towards an economically progressive (but centrist on taxation policy), socially moderate, foreign policy (Not causing crazy wars in Asia because of lack of understanding about basic fundamentals of history and foreign policy)?

Reality is that it looks like the Republican Party has been doing the same gig that they have done against Cuban-Americans in Florida to the point that even Vietnamese-Americans are now rapidly looking like a reliably Democratic constituency.

Now---- don't worry my little Republican friends.... many of the Asian-American votes are concentrated in "safe" Democratic or Republican states, but if y'all are wondering what happened in Nevada in '16, NOVA in '16, and even deep into the heart of Texas in places like Harris County, and Fort Bend in particular, you just might want to watch your backs....

It's not just all about Hillary Clinton.... it's about how your party is working overtime to flush the American Dream down the toilet....





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