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« Reply #4800 on: October 09, 2015, 08:30:52 PM »

√ Hillary Clinton/Martin O'Malley: 297 (51.0%)
Jeb Bush/Joni Ernst: 241 (47.5%)

√ Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio: 276 (50.1%)
Martin O'Malley/John Hickenlooper: 262 (48.7%)
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« Reply #4801 on: October 10, 2015, 07:37:01 AM »

√ Hillary Clinton/Martin O'Malley: 297 (51.0%)
Jeb Bush/Joni Ernst: 241 (47.5%)

√ Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio: 276 (50.1%)
Martin O'Malley/John Hickenlooper: 262 (48.7%)
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« Reply #4802 on: October 12, 2015, 07:38:05 PM »

Postwar American Occupation Zones1:



Mexican Occupation Zone
Chinese Occupation Zone
Russian Occupation Zone
Joint Occupation of District of Columbia

1Occupation of the United States following the conquest of the United States by the Allied Powers at the end of World War III (2023-2029) and the resulting collapse of the TRUMPTM Regime.
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« Reply #4803 on: October 12, 2015, 10:15:17 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 10:26:34 PM by Bigby »

2008:


Senator Hillary Clinton (D - NY)/Governor Bill Richardson (D - NM): 323 EVs, 51.6% PV
Fmr. Governor Mitt Romney (R - MA)/Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (R - AL): 215 EVs, 46.6% PV

2012:


Governor Chris Christie (R - NJ)/Senator Jim DeMint (R - SC): 311 EVs, 50.5% PV
Fmr. Governor Janet Napolitano (D - AZ)/Governor John Barrow (D - GA): 227 EVs, 46.5% PV
Fmr. Governor Jesse Ventura (L - MN)/Fmr. Senator Mike Gravel (L - AK): 0 EVs, 2.7% PV

2016:


President Chris Christie (R - NJ)/Vice President Jim DeMint (R - SC): 354 EVs, 53.6% PV
Fmr. Governor John Barrow (D - GA)/Fmr. Governor John Hickenlooper (D - CO): 184 EVs, 45.9% PV
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« Reply #4804 on: October 13, 2015, 06:55:36 PM »

√ Hillary Clinton/Martin Heinrich: 279 (49.5%)
Marco Rubio/John Kasich: 260 (49.0%)

√ Paul Ryan/Kelly Ayotte: 286 (50.4%)
Hillary Clinton/Martin Heinrich: 252 (48.1%)
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« Reply #4805 on: October 17, 2015, 10:32:15 PM »

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« Reply #4806 on: October 20, 2015, 08:00:12 PM »


Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) 187EV
CEO Donald Trump (R-NY)/Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) 191EV
Fmr. Sen. Jim Webb (Cyber-VA)/CEO John McAfee (Cyber-CA) 160EV
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« Reply #4807 on: October 22, 2015, 03:47:58 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 03:49:35 PM by bagelman »



Closest states:

New York voted Republican by a slim margin after a Democratic advertisement was discovered to have made false claims based on outdated information.

Connecticut almost went the same way.

California is divided between a Democratic north and a Republican south, so is a swing state, in contrast to the safe Democratic states of Oregon and Washington.

Virginia's vote was divided between a Republican west and north vs. a Democratic coast.

Challenge: What are events like in this alternative universe to make this election plausible?
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« Reply #4808 on: October 22, 2015, 10:00:17 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 10:09:30 PM by Higgs »

2016: Bush wins PV, loses EV!



Jeb Bush/Susana Martinez: 268 EV (49.2%)
Hillary Clinton/Julian Castro: 270 EV (49.1%)


2020: Clinton Scandal!!! Impeached by House and Senate, Castro new President



Jon Huntsman/Kelly Ayotte: 355 EV (53.8%)
Julian Castro/Tim Kaine: 183 EV (44.8%)

2024: Prosperity



Jon Huntsman/Kelly Ayotte: 419 EV (57.8%)
Some Fringe Democrat/Another Fringe Democrat: 119 EV (41.6%)
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« Reply #4809 on: October 24, 2015, 01:03:12 PM »



2016
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 52.1%
Marco Rubio (R-FL)/Ted Cruz (R-TX) - 46.2%

With Hillary Clinton securing the Democratic nomination with ease, she selects Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate. Marco Rubio, after emerging victorious following a bitter primary battle, chooses Ted Cruz as he running mate in an effort to appease the extremist faction of the GOP. A series of gaffes by Rubio's campaign, as well as Ted Cruz's relatively unappealing nature, hands the Democrats the election.



2020
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 54.6%
Susana Martinez (R-NM)/Rick Snyder (R-MI) - 43.8%

After a relative upswing in the economy, a gradual drawback of American commitments abroad, and a general increase in the standard of living, Hillary Clinton wins re-election in 2020 by over ten points, with the Democrats winning the most consecutive elections of any party since 1948. Susana Martinez's ticket, however, draws a non-insignificant number of Hispanics over to the Republican ticket, as her more moderate policies in regards to Hispanic-American affairs are seen as appealing. The extremist wing of the GOP, however, ruthlessly attacks moderate Republicans, whom they claim have zero chance at securing another GOP term in the White House.



2024
Brian Sandoval (R-NV)/Justin Amash (R-MI) - 52.3%
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)/Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) - 46.0%

After 16 years of Democratic rule, voter fatigue begins to set in, as does an economic recession at the end of Hillary Clinton's second term. Though she leaves office with moderate approval ratings, Republicans are easily able to sweep their way into the whitehouse for the first time since 2004.
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« Reply #4810 on: October 24, 2015, 01:32:48 PM »

WI: Bayh For Governor '12

270: Gov. Evan Bayh(D-IN)/Sen. Martin Heinrich(D-NM) - 50.3%
268: Gov. Chris Christie(R-NJ)/Sen. Marco Rubio(R-FL) - 48.6%
Other: 1.0%
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« Reply #4811 on: October 26, 2015, 05:21:04 PM »

2004: John & John

Sen. John Kerry / Sen. John McCain [DEM] 282 EV, 51% pv
Pres. George W. Bush / VP Dick Cheney [REP] 256 EV, 48% pv

2008

Mayor Rudy Giulliani / Gov. Mitt Romney [REP] 300 EV, 54% pv
Pres. John Kerry / VP John McCain [DEM] 238 EV, 44% pv

2012

Pres. Rudy Giulliani / VP Mitt Romney [REP] 334 EV, 56% pv
Sen. Hillary Clinton / Sen. Evan Bayh [DEM] 204 EV, 43% pv

2016


REP Primary
VP Mitt Romney vs. Gov. Mike Huckabee vs. Sen. Kelly Ayotte

DEM Primary
Sen. Evan Bayh vs. Sen. Barack Obama vs. Gov. Brian Shweitzer
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« Reply #4812 on: October 31, 2015, 01:56:26 AM »

2044 Presidential Election:


Governor Yolanda Carbone (R - NJ)/Congressman Lucas Schweikert (R - UT): High 290's - Low 300's EVs, 53% PV
Vice President Marcus Stockman (D - MS)/Honolulu Mayor Betsy Chang (D - HI): Low 240's - High 230's EVs, 45% PV

Although President Carlos Perez (D - TX) barely survived re-election, his second term proved to be even more disastrous. Perez's chief piece of legislation, the US-Latin American Free Trade Act, has only led to the economic recession worsening, particularly in the Midwest. Unemployment is at 10% nationally, and the Dow has plunged from 40,000 to 33,500 in the span of three months. The election was originally a tossup due to the high amount of Hispanics in the Southwest and parts of the Southeast, but the worsening economy and the rise of crime pouring into the big cities from suburbs tipped the scales to Carbone's favor. Carbone, the popular Governor of New Jersey, avoided major gaffes and successfully attracted typically apathetic voters with her charisma and her record as NJ Governor. Stockman began strong, particularly among fellow African-Americans, but the general anti-Perez mood of the nation and a few gaffes (particularly about Governor Elton Luntz (R-DE) being an "Uncle Tom" and the dismissal of the EPA's mishandling of a chemical transfer leading to several deals in central Oregon) helped ensure a Carbone victory. Texas and Connecticut are too close to call, and both states have initiated a recount. Although Carbone has already won nationally, she holds a tiny lead in both states.
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« Reply #4813 on: November 02, 2015, 09:29:51 AM »

I may expand this into a timeline:
1980

Rep. John Anderson (R-IL)/Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 473 EVs, 56% PV
Pres. Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Vice Pres. Walter Mondale (D-MN): 65 EVs, 42% PV

1984

Pres. John Anderson (R-IL)/Vice Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 529 EVs, 61% PV
Fmr. Vice Pres. Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Rep. Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY): 9 EVs, 38% PV

1988
(Same as RL)

Fmr Rep. George HW Bush (R-TX)/Sen. Dan Quayle (R-IN): 426 EVs, 53% PV
Gov. Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX): 111 EVs, 46% PV
Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX): 1 EV

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« Reply #4814 on: November 08, 2015, 11:49:56 PM »

2016 - The Impossible Donald Trump

After his amazing victory in the state in New Hampshire over establishment favorite Marco Rubio (Iowa was the only state won by Bobby Jindal), Trump sweeped 48 other states to an amazing victory. Trump, facing a rageful establishment, picked Nikki Haley as his VP, soothing their concers and the concerns of the Tea Party. Jeb Bush, not satisified, and angry he had been so thoroughly emasculated, runs third party bid with bitter elderly man Alan Simpson. Needless to say, that bid goes nowhere. Hillary Clinton wins every state against Bernie Sanders, including New Hampshire in a particularly bitter contest (with Clinton winning the state by some 500 votes). Sanders gives a less than enthusiastic endorsement, and progressive commentators begin criticizing Clinton for "mafia tactics". This hurts her with the left, which Trump jumps immediately in front of, claiming he'll be "so good at getting money out of politics, that you would wish money were back in politics, but not really". Trump, additionially, frames Clinton's running mate correctly as an alcoholic mess, which drags Clinton down. Even more shocking, Bush's bid, while only receiving 3% of the vote, receives 10% of the hispanic vote, essentially sinking Clinton's bid for the White House, ironically helping the man Bush's bid was intended to hurt. Trump wins with historic margins among whites.



Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) - 47.7%, 286 EV's
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Governor Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) - 47.6%, 252 EV's
Former Governor Jeb Bush (I-FL)/Former Senator Alan Simpson (I-WY) - 3.4%, 0 EV's

2020 - The Impossible Donald Trump Pt. 2

The Democratic grassroots are getting increasingly angry with the Democratic establishment. Trump manages to pass historic immigration reform, which builds a giant wall, restricts legal immigration, raises H1B wages, and cracks down on corporations. Trump also massively expands the military, and takes the Democrats thunder on expanding roads and bridges. Trump also repeals Obamacare, but replaces it with single payer. Trump gets a lot done in his Presidency, but not as much as he expected. He pouts that he won't run again unless he gets the Vice President he wants, trashing Vice President Haley as a "bimbo". Trump gets what he wants in the 2018 mid-terms, when Sam Clovis wins the Governorship. Of course this at the cost of all of the congressionial seats of Utah, some seats in Arizona, and some more seats in Texas as a result of his immigration move, but he takes it.

Democrats, rebuking establishment candidate and general non-entity Gary Peters, they nominate Keith Ellison, a black muslim who endorsed Bernie Sanders. Ellison, in an attempt to not allienate moderates, picks Former Governor Jon Huntsman as his VP. This angers the grassroots, who threaten not to vote en masse. As usual, they do vote, but it is too late as Trump's truly sophisticated machine causes YUUUUUUGE turnout. The electorate continues to get more and more isolated, but Trump wins historic margins with whites and a Surprising 23% of African Americans, more than surpassing his meager 12% with Hispanics.



President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Sam Clovis (R-IA) - 52.1%, 295 EV's

Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN)/Former Governor Jon Huntsman (D-UT) - 45.6%, 245 EV's
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« Reply #4815 on: November 09, 2015, 12:28:23 AM »

Brilliant!
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« Reply #4816 on: November 09, 2015, 02:34:53 AM »


Wait, what did Trump do to literally piss off ALL of Utah?
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« Reply #4817 on: November 09, 2015, 03:01:36 AM »


Wait, what did Trump do to literally piss off ALL of Utah?

Mormons hate Trump's immigration policy and his attitude. This caused Utah to only vote for Trump in 2016 by a margin of 52-38 (this was Bush's best performing state, at a solid 8% of the vote). Trump only managed to enrage Utah voters more through his antics and his policies. Every single Utah congressionial seat, in response to the Trump administration, was won by a Democrat in 2018 because of Trump's immigration reform package. In the 2020 election, slightly thanks to the Trump wave, Weasel-in-chief Jason Chaffetz managed to win back his seat, but the other seats remained Democratic.
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« Reply #4818 on: November 09, 2015, 08:56:13 PM »

2000

Vice President Al Gore (D-TN) / Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT): 48%; 271 Electoral Votes
Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) / Former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (R-WY): 48%; 267 Electoral Votes

2004

President Al Gore (D-TN) / Vice President Joe Lieberman (D-CT): 51%; 286 Electoral Votes
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) / Governor Mark Sanford (R-SC): 48%; 252 Electoral Votes

2008

Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Former Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN): 53%; 365 Electoral Votes
Senator John Kerry (D-MA) / Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA): 46%; 173 Electoral Votes

2012

President Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Vice President Fred Thompson (R-TN): 51%; 332 Electoral Votes
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) / Representative Martin Heinrich (D-NM): 47%; 206 Electoral Votes
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« Reply #4819 on: November 10, 2015, 11:23:29 PM »


Former Senator James Webb (R-VA)/Governor John Kasich (R-OH) 281 electoral votes
Vice President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Governor Jon Huntsman (D-UT) 257 electoral votes
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« Reply #4820 on: November 11, 2015, 08:37:07 AM »


Gov. John Kasich (R-OH)/Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR): 337 EVs (52% PV)
Fmr. Gov. Martin O'Malley (D-MD)/Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA): 201 EVs (45% PV)
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« Reply #4821 on: November 11, 2015, 01:56:21 PM »

The Favorite Sons


✓ Julian Castro (D-TX)/Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Chris Christie (R-NJ)/Mike Pence (R-IN)
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« Reply #4822 on: November 11, 2015, 03:07:26 PM »



✓ (R-MI) / (R-UT) 301

(D-TX) / (D-PA) 231

What is this world like? Is it an alternative history, an alternative present, or the future? Can you tell what I based it on?

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« Reply #4823 on: November 11, 2015, 04:32:44 PM »
« Edited: November 11, 2015, 04:42:13 PM by 1184AZ »



Governor  Brian Mulroney from Pennsylvania (R)-535 EV 60%
Former Senator John Turner from New York (D)-3EV 25%
Ed Broadbent Rep from Massachusetts Progressive-15%

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1988


President  Brian Mulroney from Pennsylvania (R)-418EV 53%
Former Senator John Turner from New York (D)-67EV 27%
Ed Broadbent Rep from Massachusetts Progressive-47EV 20%   


1993


Rep from New York-Jean Chretien (D)-375 EV
Rep from Alabama  Lucien Bouchard - Bloc South 86 EV
North Dakota Rep-Preston Manning- Reform49 Ev
Hawaii Senator Audrey McLaughlin, Progressive 22 EV
Washington Governor Kim Campbell (R) 6EV 

1997


President Jean Chretien-New York (D)-360 EV
Rep from Texas Gilles Duceppe - Bloc South 76 EV
North Dakota Rep-Preston Manning- Reform 64 Ev
Vermont Senator Alexa McDonough Progressive 25 EV
NH Senator Jean Charest (R) 13 EV 
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« Reply #4824 on: November 11, 2015, 04:41:21 PM »
« Edited: November 11, 2015, 04:49:43 PM by 1184AZ »

2000






President Jean Chretien-New York (D)-362 EV
Idaho Governor Stockwell Day    - Reform 75Ev
Rep from Texas Gilles Duceppe - Bloc South 62 Ev
Vermont Senator Alexa McDonough Progressive 32  EV
Former President Joe Clark from Texas  (R)   7 EV  



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