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« on: August 27, 2015, 01:40:02 am »

Finally I can post maps, the primary reason I joined this forum.



Can anyone guess the significance of this map?

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 03:45:27 am »

George W. Bush/Willard M. Romney: 269 (49.40%)∆
Barack Obama/John Kerry: 269 (49.49%)*
Other: 0 (1.11%)

*Barack Obama Elected President via the House of Representatives
∆Mitt Romney Re-Elected Vice President via the Senate

How long would Vice President Romney last or choose to serve under President Obama? I assume based on the number of EVs per map that this one is the 2016 election, which means that our world's version of the Atlas forum would still be talking about Obama's chances in the primaries compared to other candidates.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2015, 02:55:51 pm »



√ John Julian McKeithen (D-LA) / Birch Bayh (D-IN) 358 EV

President Richard Nixon / Vice President Spiro Agnew 180 EV

Others 0.5% of PV

President McKeithen died in a plane crash in July 1976. Birch Bayh became unpopular with southerners and many moderates when he sent more troops overseas. The Republicans split on the issue of neoliberalism vs. social conservatives; when Bush won a contentions nomination by caking his opponent Ronald Reagan in mud, SoCons were ready to rebel. Reagan refused to run, so they found a hero in former VP and conservative talk show host Spiro Agnew under the Moral Majority party, or Moral party for short. George McGovern campaigned for the Peace and Love party, which was popular with hippies and young people opposed to war. It cut into the support of a democratic ticket that largely ignored liberals, even with the addition of Walter Mondale.

George C. Wallace ran a more populist campaign intending on bringing more non-southerns to support him. It worked magic.  Promising to "kick the money-changers out of the people's temple" in Washington DC, few pundits gave him more than a longshot chance of victory as most had originally been surprised he was running at all. He would prove just how foolish they were.



√ George C. Wallace  (AIP-AL)/ Dick Lamm (AIP-CO) 290 EV (Won PV)

President Birch Bayh (D-IN) / Walter Mondale (D-MN) 106 EV (3rd in PV)

George Bush (R-TX) / Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 67 EV (2nd in PV)

George McGovern (PL-SD) / Pete McCloskey (PL-CA) 48 EV (5th in PV)

Former Vice President Spiro Agnew (M-MD) / Dick Cheney (M-WY) 27 PV (4th in PV)

President Wallace was much less of a disaster than many groups, especially minority groups, believed. Academics point to his record as Alabama governor as being pro-civil rights by deep southern standards to explain this. However, he did try to pass a state's rights bill on some issues such as school busing. Congress and the Supreme Court made it clear before he even set foot in the oval office that any attempt to allow segregation would fail.

President Wallace, who had been forced to withdraw for the '72 election as a result of a failed attempt on his life, struggled with health problems throughout his presidency. His presidency was not a failure, as he worked with congress to pass important legislation working to prevent serious inflation.

President Wallace declined to run for reelection, citing poor health and lack of energy late in his presidency. The AIP nominated Vice President Lamm, who's opponents made a huge issue of a major gaffe ("Old people have a duty to die"). Lamm campaigned on the issues of state's rights, the success of the Wallace presidency, and the evils of returning to a two-party duopoly.

The GOP, having been bitterly divided and conquered four years ago, had only one option to heal itself. Ronald Reagan, who had crushed economic elites such as Nelson Rockefeller and Dick Cheney, moderates such as Gerald Ford, and far-right Moral Majoritarians such as Spiro Agnew who was blasted for leaving the party and was ruined by long-suppressed evidence finally coming out from the 60s regarding his corruption while commissioner of Baltimore County, MD.

Ronald Reagan sought to reinvent the GOP in his image. After winning the nomination, Reagan was endorsed by all of his major primary opponents and by the Moral Majority party which had already been re-abosrbed by the GOP. Reagan chose former Illinois governor and future president Donald Rumsfeld as his running mate, adding a young face to the ticket.

The Democrats nominated former New York gov. Hugh Carey as their nominee. Carey was endorsed by his primary rival Walter Mondale and selected southerner Jimmy Carter as his running mate. Jimmy Carter was a good choice as it allowed the democrats to campaign better in the south.

Hugh Carey was not the great orator that Reagan was. Because of his demeanor he came across and angry and older than Reagan, even though Reagan was older. Carey later revealed in his memoirs that if his wife was still alive, he would have been more charming and charismatic on the campaign trail.

George McGovern campaigned to be renominated for the Peace and Love party, but lost the nominated to a rising start in Ron Dellums, who chose attorney Ralph Nader to be his running mate. Ron Dellums became the first African-American candidate to receive electoral votes in a presidential election. 



√ Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) 276 EV

Hugh Carey (D-NY) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA) 190 EV

Vice President Dick Lamm (AIP-CO) / various 65 EV

Ron Dellums (PL-CA) / Ralph Nadar (PL-CT) 7 EV
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2015, 01:50:37 pm »
« Edited: September 06, 2015, 03:35:51 pm by bagelman »



George W. Bush over John Kerry



Hillary Clinton over John McCain



Mitt Romney defeats Hillary Clinton 285-253




Mitt Romney (inc) 311 EV
Bernie Sanders 224 EV
Michelle Bachmann 3 EV

The third party Michelle Bachmann, running under the "tea party", allowed Sanders to win Minnesota through vote splitting. Bachmann's best performance was in South Dakota, winning the state by a very slim margin. Elderly voters in Florida expressed their dislike with Romney's social security reforms and the poor union state of West Virginia went for Sanders. However, Romney was still fairly popular with the majority of the electorate.




Mitt Romney's popularity did not last into his second term after a stock market collapse reminiscent of 2007-8 occurred in 2018. By 2020, most expected the Democrats to take back the White House. The '20 GOP primaries pitted Vice President Paul Ryan vs. Ohio Governor John Kasich. Kasich won and in doing so was able to distance himself from the Romney administration. Seen as a moderate, he was pitted against Martin O'Mally.

Election night is over and the results have come down to Florida, which is still going through automatic recounts and is too close to call. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 06:39:57 am »

These maps are based on http://alternatehistory.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=5077736&postcount=189 this scenario. by Ephraim Ben Raphael on AH.com and covered by RvBOMally.

Vice President Richard "Dick" Cheney is one of over 4000 to die on 9/11.



√ President George W. Bush (R-TX) / Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) 331 EV

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) / Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark (D-AR) 207 EV

With much larger scale wars than our world, resentment agains the War on Terror escalates slower but steeper. The Democrats don't have their 2006 wave, but they do have a big wave in 2008:



√ Sen. Hillary R Clinton (D-NY) / Sen. Barack H Obama (D-IL) 397 EV

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) / Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) 141 EV

Obama's run for president ended in March when he endorsed Sen. Clinton, who chose him as her running mate.

The Democrats gain control on both houses of congress in 2008 (after coming close in 2006) and retain control of the senate in 2010 despite tea party opposition. The Tea Party is less inclined to attack President Clinton relentlessly, instead targeting Vice President Obama (Clinton's attack dog) and the democratic congressional leaders.


President Hillary Clinton dies on the 9/11/11 terrorist attacks on Washington D.C. The attacks also claim the lives of George W. Bush and John Kerry, along with George HW Bush and other significant attendees.

Barack H. Obama assumes the presidency. He runs for a full term.


Republican primaries, 2012:



√ Businessman Edward Butler (NJ)

Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (MA)

Sen. Rick Santorum (PA)

Gov. Rick Perry (TX)

Rep. Ron Paul (TX) (challenged Butler on his pro-war xenophobic stance, but won no primaries other than a territory)

Edward Butler is an objectivist, running with the backing of the Tea Party faction of the GOP and his powerful charisma. The establishment vote was divided between Romney, who gaffed and flip-flopped his way to defeat, and Santorum representing the classical SoCon vote. Perry put up a much better fight than OTL, but endorsed Butler.

President Obama is the favorite at the start of the race, but Butler, with his blend of neoconservatism and libertarianism, is able to incite anger among the base especially regarding the number 1 issue on the minds of voters: islamic terror.

While there are some right-wing extremists who accuse Obama of being born in Kenya, and thus is ineligible to be President, an even worse theory emerges that claims Obama orchestrated the 9/11/11 attacks to assassinate President Clinton. This theory is stupid but spreads among a few far-right circles. Fortunately this theory is outlandish enough not to be brought up in serious discussion, but GOP candidate Butler does accuse Obama of "not doing enough" to avenge the death of Clinton, especially by "cowardly refuses to name who is responsible: Radical Islamic Terrorism".

Overall, while he was ahead for most of the summer and early fall, Obama was well behind in the polls by October thanks to Butler's zeal, forcing in to campaign with vigor just to stay alive and force a tossup election.



√ Businessman Edward Butler (R-NJ) / Businessman Herman Cain (R-GA) 272 EV

President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) 265 EV

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) / Fmr. President Bill Clinton (D-AR) 1 EV, faithless elector from Delaware

The results of the election were not decided for weeks, thanks to constant recounts in Ohio, Iowa, Virginia, and Florida. Obama needed to win all these states to win, and won all but Ohio.

Obama was alleged to be very depressed and tense when his lame duck period began. Michelle Obama, in her memoirs, recounted that "Barack saw something in Mr. Butler that even our most loyal supporters didn't see. He had that aura about him, an aura that made personable people like by husband uneasy."

Newly elected Vice President Herman Cain lasted even less than his President, resigning after Butler's decision to...you might want to read the scenario above to know more.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 09:59:14 am »

2016:

Compared to 1864



√ Revolutionary leader Jerry Brown (D-CA) / Fmr. President Barack H Obama (D-IL) 425 EV

Ron Paul (R-TX) / Rand Paul (R-KY) 8 EV

Unallocated, under military occupation, or in the process of seceding via the Treaty of Omaha and the Treaty of Denver 105 EV not given to any candidate

2020:

Compared to 1820



√ Vice President Barack H Obama (D-IL) / Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-NM) 490 EV

Fmr. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Ret. Neurosurgeon Ben Carson (R-MD) 0 EV

Rand Paul (R-KY) / John Washington (I-TX) 1 EV (Faithless elector, KY)

2024:

Compared to 1984 or '88



√ President Barack H Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Martin Heinrich (D-NM) 534 EV

Rep. Robert Painter (P-PA) / Mayor Elina Lucero (P-NY) 4 EV

Rand Paul (L-KY) / Julie Lund (L-GA) 0 EV

George P. Bush (R-TX) / Chris Long (R-NY) 0 EV

Fun fact: Vice President Heinrich becomes the first incumbent VP to be re-elected since 1996.

2028:

The Democratic party, ruling the country as a dominant party state since the end of the civil war, split themselves over establishment center-left candidate Martin Heinrich, having moved further to the left than Obama during his time in office, and "change" candidate Yvette Smith who finally provides a voice to the orphaned center-right vote.

The Progressive Party splits the left and center left vote, allowing Smith to win with support from the center and right.



√ Gov. Yvette Smith (D-MO) / Sen. Kate Jenkins (D-TX)

Vice President Martin Heinrich (D-NM) / Gov. Alice Gonzalez (D-FL)

Rep. Chelsea B. Dunn (P-CA) / Rep. Robert Painter (P-PA)

As of January 20th, 2029, at the end of his career, President Obama has served as Vice President for 6 years, 8 months, and 22 days, and President for 9 years, 4 months, and 9 days.

2032:

The Democratic party reunifies under the center-right President Smith, but the leftist Progressive party is more powerful than ever...



√ President Yvette Smith (D-MO) / Vice President Kate Jenkins (D-TX)

Sen. Lucas Belton (P-IL) / Sen. Gerry Michaels (P-RI)

Lucas Belton is the first transgender candidate, a man originally born in the body of a woman. President Smith attacks Belton for being a carpetbagger, moving from the President's home state to neighboring Illinois to run for senator against an unpopular incumbent. She also attacks him for not getting much done in the senate. Senator Belton is able to generate excitement as a herald for the end of one party rule but is unable to defeat a reasonably popular President Smith.

2036:



√ Senate Maj. Leader Paul Canon (P-FL) / Gov. Robert Painter (P-PA)

Vice President Kate Jenkins (D-TX) / Sec. of Interior Joyce Cantu (D-WV)

Finally, the progressive party captures the white house. VP Jenkins proves to be a less effective campaigner than President Smith, making stupid and occasionally personally offensive gaffes. While she is able to offer detailed answers to questions, and chooses experienced secretary Joyce Cantu as her running mate, Sen. Canon is able to provide even more innovative solutions while railing against corruption, greed, and lack of action in flood stricken states like his own.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 10:39:15 pm »

Primary (up to Super Tuesday) map time! These are for the 2016 elections. Guess the candidates by color.

Republicans:



Democrats:



GOP -

Green is Bush
Yellow is Trump
Blue is Cruz

Democrats -

Red is Bernie
Green is Joe
Blue is Hillary

I would guess Kasich for green and Rubio for blue on the GOP side.
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2015, 02:34:28 pm »



The Liberal Democratic party is the largest party in the country, holding more state governorships than any other party. This party is mostly centrist, center-left on social issues and center-right on economic ones. The LDP often gets into power by forming coalitions with other parties. This has a varying effect on policy, while the Gov. of North Dakota is free to do whatever he wants, the Gov. of Florida is very beholden to a complex collation with the American Party and the Republican Party that exists mainly to prevent the CSD and Progressive Institutional Party from gaining a foothold in the state. The Prime Minister of the Union is often from a Lib Dem and Republican collation. Party HQ: Milwaukee, WI.

The Christian Social Democratic party is right wing on social issues and left wing on economic issues. A populist party that wins elections in the south with the support of poor whites and African-Americans, and controls many mayor positions in northern cities with support of unions, African-Americans, and socially conservative suburbanites. Party HQ: Baltimore, MD

The American Party is the main rival of the CSDP. In the past, known as the Christian Democratic Party (not social), they were able to win elections with the supporter of wealthier whites of the upper class. After the civil rights era they've been forced up north to the upper south, were they govern conservatively on social issues like the CSDP and more center-right on economic issues (unlike the CSDP). Based in Nashville. Mocked by opponents as the hillbilly party, but still competes aggressively in the deep south.

The Republican party is the oldest active party in the country and has more power at the federal level than the state level (where they only control 3 states). As one would guess, they support decreased power of state governments at the expense of an efficient and more powerful - more powerful in relation to the states, but not overly large - federal government. The Republicans base of power are old monied interests. Dating back to the revolutionary period, the Republicans, formally known as the Federal Republicans, have always been the more aristocratic party. Lately however there's been a split in the party, Conservative Republicans in Utah have little agreement with more socially liberal Republicans in states like Vermont. The HQ of the party is in Boston, where it was founded centuries ago.

The Worker's and Merchants Party (nicknamed: WorMerch) is the regional party for southern New England, New York, and N' Jersey.  The party tends to cater to urban interests, being based in NYC. Opponents love to accuse this party of corruption. Despite having the word "worker's" in the name, not socialist.

The Progressive Republican party was initially founded to be more socially liberal than the Republican party, but today they're a version of the Republican party that is more supported by unions and therefore more to the left on economics, while being more moderate and consistent than the Republicans on social issues. Like the Republicans, are also based in Boston, and receive more support from voters there. Won in New Hampshire because the Republican candidate was too far to the right on social issues.

The Progressive Institutional Party is the newest and most rabidly growing party in the Union. Currently a southwestern regional party, the PIP is liberal on drugs, liberal on immigration, and tough on crime. Their victory in Texas, a former American party stronghold, is their most recent. Based in Albuquerque.

Hawaii is ruled by the Liberal Republican Party, which is a regional party allied with the Republicans nationally for their strong support of free trade.

Finally, the Democratic Party was the main rival of the Republican party in the distant past. They split  on a north south basis over the issues of slavery (south yes, north no) and nativism (south yes, northern democrats increasingly attracted newer Americans for their support of labor rights). The southern democrats, known as the Christian Democratic Party, split over civil rights and the economic divide between wealthy southerners and poorer southerns. The northern democrats became the modern Liberal Dems. A museum devoted to the original Democratic party can be found in Richmond.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2015, 12:43:38 pm »



Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 368 EV

Fmr. State Sen. Michael Rubio (D-CA) 170 EV
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 01:15:04 pm »
« Edited: September 23, 2015, 04:46:31 pm by bagelman »

(these are based off a comedic series of point and click video games, not entirely serious)

2000:



✓ Lucas Blush (R-OR) / Fred Thompson (R-TN) 294 EV

President Bob Kerrey (D-NE) / Vice President Al Gore (D-TN) 244 EV


2004:



✓ Max Freelance (D-NY) / Gordon Spitzer (D-CA) 302 EV

Stanley A. Lincoln (R-DC) / Chuck Tyom (R-NJ) 125 EV (3rd in PV)

Ralph Nader (G-CT) / Peter Camejo (G-CA) 114 EV (2nd in PV)

Results from West Dakota:

✓ Stanley A. Lincoln (R-DC) / Chuck Tyom (R-NJ) 40% 3 EV

Ralph Nader (G-CT) / Peter Camejo (G-CA) 38% 0 EV

Max Freelance (D-NY) / Gordon Spitzer (D-CA) 19% 0 EV

Remainder: Other

2008:


✓ Acting President Donald "Superball" Bradley (D-VA) / Dick Gephardt (D-MO) 350 EV

Mike Huckabee (R-AR) / Rick Perry (R-TX) 177 EV

Gary Johnson (L-NM) / Bob Barr (L-GA) 11 EV

PJ "Whizzer" Jenkins (P-WD) / Gene Amondson (P-WA) 3 EV (won West Dakota by less than a percent)

Ralph Nader (G-CT) 0 EV
 
2012:


✓ President Superball (D-VA) / Vice President Gephardt (D-MO) 272 EV

Jerald "Peepers" Smathers (R-ND) / Chris Christie (R-NJ) 268 EV
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 09:20:33 pm »
« Edited: September 25, 2015, 07:48:06 pm by bagelman »

Basing these maps off a reddit comment I found:

2016:



✓ Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) 280 EV

Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY) / Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) 252 EV (appeared as Make America Great Again (MAGA) in UT and LA)

Fmr. Gov. John Huntsman Jr. (IR-UT) / Gov. Bobby Jindal (IR-LA) 6 EV (appeared as Republican in UT and LA)

2020:



✓ Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY) / Fmr. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 321 EV

President Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Vice President Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) 217 EV

President Trump is deemed incapacitated in 2023

Marco Rubio is President from 2023-2025, declines nomination

2024:



✓ Teddy Betts (R-ID) / Rand Paul (R-KY)

Fmr. Vice President Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) / Michelle Obama (D-IL)

2028:



✓ President Teddy Betts (R-ID) / Vice President Rand Paul (R-KY)

Sen. Juan Hernandez / Rep. Kathleen Gates (D-VA)

2032:



✓ Sandy Bellmen (D-CA) / Mike Morsel (D-PA)

Craig Romney (R-UT) / George P. Bush (R-TX)


Presidents of the United States:

45. Bernie Sanders (Democrat-Vermont) 2017-2021
46. Donald Trump (Republican-New York) 2021-2023
47. Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida) 2023-2025
48. Ted "Teddy" Betts (Republican-Idaho) 2025-2033

49. Sandy Bellman (Democrat-California) 2033-


Teddy Betts is a libertarian from central-north Idaho. He was accused by primary opponents of believing in 9/11 conspiracy theories in 2023, and in 2028 faced an extremely unsuccessful primary challenge from political activist and former senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) over the largely dismissed issue. It was only in 2031, after the president ordered investigations into 9/11 related documents and figures, did he begin to arouse suspicion from neoconservatives and the remnants of the military industrial complex. That and his refusal to actively campaign for the Romney/Bush ticket has split the GOP during the Bellman presidency between supporters of the Betts presidency (who deny his belief in conspiracy theories as itself a conspiracy theory) and those who want a "new direction" similar to the Bush presidencies that predate Obama.

Sandy Bellman becomes the first female president and the first LGBT president when she takes office in 2033.

President Betts, President Bellman, Vice President Morsel, and the democratic ticket from '28 are all fictional.


Vice Presidents of the United States

48. Amy Klobuchar (Democrat-Minnesota) 2017-2021
49. Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida) 2021-2023
50. Jeb Bush (Republican-Florida) 2023-2025
51. Rand Paul (Republican-Kentucky) 2025-2033

52. Mike Morsel (Democrat-Pennsylvania) 2033-
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2015, 02:19:32 pm »
« Edited: September 25, 2015, 05:18:32 pm by bagelman »

2016



✓ Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) 278 EV

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Dr. Ben Carson (R-MD) 260 EV

President Sanders is forced to resign in 2019 when it becomes clear he will face serious primary challengers due to moderate backlash against socialism within the Democratic party. President Warren does not run for election. The Democrats choose Sen. Brown to bridge the gap within their party, to retain as many liberals as possible.

2020



✓ Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) 354 EV

Businesswoman Carly Fiorina (R-CA) / Fmr. Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) 184

Fortunately for the democrats, the GOP is more divided than ever. Pundits agree that a Fiorina/Walker ticket would have won in 2016, but the GOP was simply too divided after the 2020 primaries to win.

Candidate Brown was successful at bridging the gap between liberals and moderates within the Democrats, but President Brown was much less successful when he undid some of President Sander's and President Warren's more radical reforms. More pressing was a simple desire for change after 16 straight years of progressive democratic rule.

2024:



✓ Gov. Rand Paul (R-KY) / Rep. Raśl Labrador (R-ID) 285+ EV

President Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Vice President Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) 253- EV


Presidents of the United States:

45. Bernie Sanders (Democrat-Vermont) 2017-2019
46. Elizabeth Warren (Democrat-Massachusetts) 2019-2021
47. Sherrod Brown (Democrat-Ohio) 2021-2025

48. Rand Paul (Republican-Kentucky) 2025-
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2015, 08:18:10 am »



✓ George Bush (R-TX) / Jack Kemp (R-NY)

President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Vice President Walter Mondale (D-MN)




✓ President George Bush (R-TX) / Vice President Jack Kemp (R-NY)

Gary Hart (D-CO) / John Glenn (D-OH) 97 EV



✓ Walter Mondale (D-MN) / Dick Gephardt (D-MO) 353

Pat Robertson (R-VA) / Alexander Haig (R-MD) 185



✓ President Walter Mondale (D-MN) / Vice President Dick Gephardt (D-MO) 275 EV

Bob Dole (R-KS) / Pierre S. du Pont IV (R-DE) 263 EV

(election decided by Ohio)



✓ Mario Cuomo (D-NY) / Bill Clinton (D-AR) 318 EV

Phil Gramm (R-TX) / Dan Quayle (R-IN) 220 EV



✓ George W. Bush (R-TX) / John Engler (R-MI) 287 EV

President Mario Cuomo / Vice President Bill Clinton 251 EV



✓ President George W. Bush (R-TX) / Vice President John Engler (R-MI) 369 EV

Al Gore (D-TN) / John Edwards (D-NC) 169 EV



✓ Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) / Mark Warner (D-VA)

Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Sam Brownback (R-KS)



✓ President Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) / Vice President Mark Warner (D-VA)

Michele Bachmann (R-MN) / Rick Santorum (R-PA)



Donald Trump (R-NY) / Jeff Sessions (R-AL) 186 safe EV

Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / TBA (D) 180 safe EV
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2015, 10:00:47 pm »



George McGovern (D-SD) 282 EV

President Spiro Agnew (R-MD) 256 EV



Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 399 EV

President George McGovern (D-SD) 139 EV
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2015, 08:11:12 pm »



Hubert Humphrey (Liberal Democrat-MN) 308

George Wallace (Conservative Democrat-AL) 230



Richard Nixon (R-CA) 307

George Wallace (D-AL) 231
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2015, 03:47:58 pm »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 03:49:35 pm by bagelman »



Closest states:

New York voted Republican by a slim margin after a Democratic advertisement was discovered to have made false claims based on outdated information.

Connecticut almost went the same way.

California is divided between a Democratic north and a Republican south, so is a swing state, in contrast to the safe Democratic states of Oregon and Washington.

Virginia's vote was divided between a Republican west and north vs. a Democratic coast.

Challenge: What are events like in this alternative universe to make this election plausible?
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2015, 03:07:26 pm »



✓ (R-MI) / (R-UT) 301

(D-TX) / (D-PA) 231

What is this world like? Is it an alternative history, an alternative present, or the future? Can you tell what I based it on?

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 01:39:35 pm »

Some maps based on these maps



400+



319-206, 6 undergoing recount



312-216, 3 undergoing recount



369-162



366-159, 6 undergoing recount



305-201, 15 undergoing recount




345-186



339-192
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 08:38:18 pm »
« Edited: November 25, 2015, 08:40:10 pm by bagelman »



328-210

Closest states: NV and MA were very close, and VT was originally considered a Dem state due to inaccurate polling.

The Democrat in this race is a big gov type that wants to increase regulation and the Republican is an economic libertarian type. Obviously internal state dynamics are very different to allow MI to vote to the right of ID. Based on this map.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2015, 09:01:12 pm »

1960:



The most hotly disputed election since 1876, Senator Jim Lfoofez (D-RI) "defeated" Henry C. Ojyo (R-MA)

1964:



Easy relection win for Lfoofez

1968:



R-VA defeats D-IA and I-FL

1972:



D-NE fails to put up a fight against inc. R-VA. But R-VA is later forced to resign.

1976



D-FL defeats incumbant R-IN

1980:



R-NY defeats D-FL (inc.)

1984:



R-NY re-elected vs. D-IA

1988:



R-KY defeats D-RI

1992:



D-LA defeats R-KY (inc)

1996:



D-LA (inc) defeats R-OK

2000:



R-CO "defeats" D-GA

2004:



R-CO defeats D-CT

2008:



D-MO defeats R-WA

2012:



D-MO (inc.) vs. R-CT

A recount in PA will decide winner.
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2016, 04:36:01 pm »



The moderate President Pataki of the Liberal party defeats the Populist candidate in his bid for reelection. However NJ clearly trended towards the Pops in a Lib year.

Note that there is one state of Dakota in this obviously very different America, with the majority of the population (by a 4-1 margin) living in the northern half of the state. The southern half, and neighboring Wyoming, is dominated by Native Americans.
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2016, 02:18:26 pm »



The moderate President Pataki of the Liberal party defeats the Populist candidate in his bid for reelection. However NJ clearly trended towards the Pops in a Lib year.

Note that there is one state of Dakota in this obviously very different America, with the majority of the population (by a 4-1 margin) living in the northern half of the state. The southern half, and neighboring Wyoming, is dominated by Native Americans.



However Pataki's successor, Marcus Lucas , was a corrupt administrator who failed to stem the tide of money that was leaving New York City, traditionally America's second most prosperous city behind Cleveland (Cleveland and other Ohio cities being far and away more successful in this world than in the real world, as evidenced by Ohio's 500 lb. gorilla status in the house). Lucas was popular enough in his party because of his agricultural reforms to make the race competitive (and also promising to be a fourth term of the still popular President Helga Pataki) but Populist candidate Benedict Lazlo carried the election on a tide of change.

Lazlo actually won Ohio by a larger margin than New York, because of the New Zion party that had set itself in the region. This party didn't win any states because of their extreme positions on many foreign policy and social issues. This party attracted liberals* on their FP stances and hard line populists on social issues.

*members of the liberal party, not our world's liberals. Our world's liberals would consider them to be dangerous provocateurs.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2016, 08:23:23 pm »


Worst part of that map is Arizona having more EVs than New York, and NY being dwarfed by FL. What happened to NYC and how the heck would Arizonans get their water?!

I think Cali's going to start losing EVs before 2050.
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2016, 10:33:24 pm »

Here's a random Trump vs. Clinton map I made for fun.

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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2016, 09:56:11 pm »

Death of the Democratic Party



Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 522 EV

President Robert Byrd (ID-WV) 13 EV

George McGovern (D-SD) 3 EV



President Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 535 EV

Howard Zinn (D-NY) 3 EV

Geraldine Ferraro ("True" Democrat-NY) 0 EV (Originally the Vice Presidential nominee, her political career would end after a crushing scandal. Beat Zinn in PV.)



George Bush (R-TX) 535 EV A moderate uniter who seriously spent money running ads in DC

Howard Zinn (D-NY) 3 EV More aggressive this election

Lyndon LaRouche (TD-VA) 0 EV Hijacked the "True Democrat" party.



President George Bush (R-TX) 387 EV

Ross Perot (I-TX) 138 EV

Jesse Jackson (D-DC) 13 EV



Ross Perot (Rf-TX) 295 EV

Jay Danforth (Rp-MO) 243 EV
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