Abortion and parental consent

[Figueira]

This is something I've been wondering about people's opinions on. I have a very strong opinion but I'll keep it to myself until there are responses.

If you think there should be exceptions to your usual rule on abortion (e.g. rape, incest, length of pregnancy, etc.) then vote based on the times you think abortions should be legal.

If this is confusing let me know.

[SWE]

There shouldn't be any restrictions on a woman's right to end her pregnancy, especially not this ageist nonsense.

[Murica!]

There shouldn't be any restrictions on a woman's right to end her pregnancy, especially not this ageist nonsense.

This expresses my point much better, so yeah.

[PJ]

I wouldn't think very many people actually want this, given that laws such like this (and other frivolous restrictions on abortion) are simply attempts to get around Roe v. Wade.

No, obviously. Access to abortion should be unrestricted, free of charge, etc.

[ElectionsGuy]

I actually thought at first that persons below 18 should need parental consent, but if one is mature enough to have an abortion to create offspring and reproduce, they shouldn't need permission from others. They're their own person, so yeah I go with option 1. Even if it seems a bit extreme, its the freedom option.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Option 1 (sane)

[WVdemocrat]

Option 1 (sane)

This.

[TNF]

A person old enough to have a child is old enough to make that decision by themselves.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Even thinking that abortion should be restricted in some ways, parental consent is a really disingenuous and unfair way to do it.

[ingemann]

Other.

I think a child being pregnant should have parental consent for getting or not getting a abortion, through if the parents decide the child should not having a abortion, the courts should always look into it and potential remove the parents custody temporary or permanent, if the court feel the child's life and future have been endangered. Of course I don't think a 17 year old or 16 year old is a child (through neither are they adults), and while I do think a 12 year old or a 13 year old is a child, I'm not sure where the age for parental consent on this issue should lie, somewhere between 13-16.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I think a child being pregnant should have parental consent for getting or not getting a abortion,

You're saying parents should be able to force their daughters to have an abortion? That's horrifying.

[ingemann]

I think a child being pregnant should have parental consent for getting or not getting a abortion,

You're saying parents should be able to force their daughters to have an abortion? That's horrifying.

Yes I think that parents should be able to force their 12 year daughter to have a abortion. A abortion are much less invasive than a pregnancy, let alone giving birth, especially for someone who isn't yet fully grown.

[DavidB.]

Yes, parental consent should be necessary if the girl is not 18 yet. However, if the girl's life is in danger, consent should not be necessary.

[Goldwater]

I think a child being pregnant should have parental consent for getting or not getting a abortion,

You're saying parents should be able to force their daughters to have an abortion? That's horrifying.

Yes I think that parents should be able to force their 12 year daughter to have a abortion. A abortion are much less invasive than a pregnancy, let alone giving birth, especially for someone who isn't yet fully grown.

Doesn't that kind of go against the idea of being, you know, pro-choice?

[Cory]

Option 1 (sane)

This.

[Thunderbird is the word]

No, I support an absolute right to an abortion. If a girl is old enough to get pregnant then she owns her own body and I don't think that she should be forced to tell her possibly psychotic parents who might disown her. Also imagine if she was raped by her father?

[ingemann]

I think a child being pregnant should have parental consent for getting or not getting a abortion,

You're saying parents should be able to force their daughters to have an abortion? That's horrifying.

Yes I think that parents should be able to force their 12 year daughter to have a abortion. A abortion are much less invasive than a pregnancy, let alone giving birth, especially for someone who isn't yet fully grown.

Doesn't that kind of go against the idea of being, you know, pro-choice?

Pro-choice and pro-life are meaningless words adopted because they sound good, not because they have anything to do with reality, I could just as well say I'm pro-woman or pro-human, it would be rather meaningless, but it sounds good and allow me to take the moral highground, whether I inhabit it or not.

As for my belief about abortion I support 1st trimester abortion, think that 2nd trimester should be legal in some cases, and I see 3rd trimester abortion as murder, through if the child suffer from badly enough defects or the mother's life is in danger I support abortion in those cases.

[ingemann]

No, I support an absolute right to an abortion. If a girl is old enough to get pregnant then she owns her own body and I don't think that she should be forced to tell her possibly psychotic parents who might disown her. Also imagine if she was raped by her father?

Well I guess you think it's important that the child can get a abortion in secret, so that the father can keep abusing her without anybody discovering it. Because that's the consequences of this.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Pro-choice and pro-life are meaningless words adopted because they sound good, not because they have anything to do with reality, I could just as well say I'm pro-woman or pro-human, it would be rather meaningless, but it sounds good and allow me to take the moral highground, whether I inhabit it or not.

Considering your horrible views, you most definitely do not.

[TDAS04]

Option 1.  A girl should not die because her parents deny her an abortion, and rapist fathers certainly should have no say.  I think the rules should be the same regardless of age, and abortion should be legal in most cases.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Option 3, unless the mother's life is at risk.

I would only allow abortion in cases of Rape, Incest, and life of the Mother. I would be O.K. with allowing them in cases of severe genetic disabilities on the part of the child, but such an exception wouldn't be in my ideal abortion ban bill.

[ingemann]

Pro-choice and pro-life are meaningless words adopted because they sound good, not because they have anything to do with reality, I could just as well say I'm pro-woman or pro-human, it would be rather meaningless, but it sounds good and allow me to take the moral highground, whether I inhabit it or not.

Considering your horrible views, you most definitely do not.

That's the problem with you, you're too afraid to get your hands dirty. I don't look at reality and try to fit it into my ideology, I look at reality and adapt my beliefs to it. But in the end the things you support lead to more people suffering, which you then blame on the people who told you how it would end up. But at least your hands are clean.

In this case I don't look at abortion as some kind of binary choice between wrong or right, I think it's a perfect example of a issue where both sides are right, and you have to make some ugly compromises to reach a point where suffering are minimised.

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Abortion restrictions are annoying. Organisms don't matter unless they can feel emotion. For all I care, you can have abortions just for fun if you want.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Pro-choice and pro-life are meaningless words adopted because they sound good, not because they have anything to do with reality, I could just as well say I'm pro-woman or pro-human, it would be rather meaningless, but it sounds good and allow me to take the moral highground, whether I inhabit it or not.

Considering your horrible views, you most definitely do not.

That's the problem with you, you're too afraid to get your hands dirty. I don't look at reality and try to fit it into my ideology, I look at reality and adapt my beliefs to it. But in the end the things you support lead to more people suffering, which you then blame on the people who told you how it would end up. But at least your hands are clean.

In this case I don't look at abortion as some kind of binary choice between wrong or right, I think it's a perfect example of a issue where both sides are right, and you have to make some ugly compromises to reach a point where suffering are minimised.

If I get called a stubborn unrealistic ideologue by Ingermann and a soulless wishy-washy moderate by TNF, that means I must be doing something right.

And if you actually think letting parents force their daughters to have an abortion against their own will will "minimize suffering", you clearly don't have a firm grasp on reality.

[Figueira]

Anyway, my position is Option 1, and if you don't agree with Option 1, you aren't really "pro-choice." I wish more states would get rid of their parental consent laws.

For those of you who voted for 2 and 3, I'd like to know your reasoning.