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Question: Should minors need parental consent to get an abortion (in situations where you think abortion should be legal)?
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No, they should be allowed to get an abortion (in some or all situations) without consent, regardless of age.
 
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Yes, in some cases (explain).
 
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Yes, in all cases.
 
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No, abortion should always be illegal (except if mother's life is at risk).
 
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Other (explain).
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2015, 01:58:17 PM »

Why should a minor be allowed to get an abortion without parental consent but not be able to get married without it?
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2015, 02:00:30 PM »

Why should a minor be allowed to get an abortion without parental consent but not be able to get married without it?

Because the right to bodily autonomy is more fundamental than the right to marry.
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »

Why should a minor be allowed to get an abortion without parental consent but not be able to get married without it?

Because the right to bodily autonomy is more fundamental than the right to marry.

This, and because not getting married doesn't have huge consequences the way not getting an abortion does.

That said, I don't really support the parental permission requirement for marriage either. I'd rather have a single minimum age for marriage (maybe 16-18 or so) since I don't really see how the parents' opinion is relevant to such a decision. Same with getting tattoos: either let them get tattoos, or don't.
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2015, 03:22:41 PM »

Why should a minor be allowed to get an abortion without parental consent but not be able to get married without it?

They shouldn't need parental permission for that either.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2015, 08:13:32 PM »

Abortion violates every amendment to the constitution. The child doesn't get to experience any freedoms that this country proclaims to love.
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2015, 08:46:40 PM »

Abortion violates every amendment to the constitution. The child doesn't get to experience any freedoms that this country proclaims to love.

That is not how the Constitution works.
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2015, 09:30:06 PM »

Abortion restrictions are annoying. Organisms don't matter unless they can feel emotion. For all I care, you can have abortions just for fun if you want.

OK, this is gross. Abortions are not 'fun'. People have horrifying experiences with abortions and are mentally traumatized with seeing baby parts being sucked up. Everybody should want less abortions, abortions should never be seen as a positive thing. They should be seen as 'justified' if necessary but not good.
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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2015, 10:15:30 PM »

Abortion restrictions are annoying. Organisms don't matter unless they can feel emotion. For all I care, you can have abortions just for fun if you want.

OK, this is gross. Abortions are not 'fun'. People have horrifying experiences with abortions and are mentally traumatized with seeing baby parts being sucked up. Everybody should want less abortions, abortions should never be seen as a positive thing. They should be seen as 'justified' if necessary but not good.

This. I mostly consider myself pro-choice because I believe Roe v. Wade should not be overturned, but we definitely need abortion reform.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2015, 01:18:22 AM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2015, 03:05:35 AM »

I'm sorry but this idea of absolute individual autonomy and liberalism, is ridiculous, and in abortion, it has it's biggest problems, as liberals believe they can kill an unborn child, for the namesake of freedom and liberty.
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2015, 10:50:58 AM »

Abortion violates every amendment to the constitution. The child doesn't get to experience any freedoms that this country proclaims to love.

That is not how the Constitution works.

Really? Because I learned that the constitution works to protect basic freedoms.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2015, 08:03:10 PM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2015, 09:37:54 PM »

No, it should be illegal (except for the exceptions yada yada), but parental consent would be a fair compromise, at least temporarily.
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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2015, 11:26:43 PM »

No, it should be illegal (except for the exceptions yada yada), but parental consent would be a fair compromise, at least temporarily.

Is it really? Either you conciser the life of a fetus equivalent to that of a newborn baby, which means parental consent wouldn't make it any more morally acceptable to kill it, or you don't, which mean's parental connect doesn't matter becasue it's morally acceptable anyway. How does this compromise make sense for either side?
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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2015, 06:00:19 AM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.

You've already placed the mother over the foetus in this scenario. So why only for the 'mothers life'; why not her mental wellbeing?
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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2015, 06:38:04 AM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.

You've already placed the mother over the foetus in this scenario. So why only for the 'mothers life'; why not her mental wellbeing?

She can survive her mental well-being, she might not survive in that scenario, well that's my view anyway, don't know about Miles.
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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2015, 06:50:10 PM »

No, it should be illegal (except for the exceptions yada yada), but parental consent would be a fair compromise, at least temporarily.
How is it a fair compromise? Neither side gets anything, beyond discrimination against younger woman.
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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2015, 06:55:49 PM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.

You've already placed the mother over the foetus in this scenario. So why only for the 'mothers life'; why not her mental wellbeing?
Because in the first scenario, if the mother dies, so does the fetus.
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2015, 05:53:54 AM »

All abortion, except for the mother's life, should be illegal.

You've already placed the mother over the foetus in this scenario. So why only for the 'mothers life'; why not her mental wellbeing?
Because in the first scenario, if the mother dies, so does the fetus.

Not if the foetus is past the point of viability. In that case, if the mother requires treatment that will kill the viable foetus but if she doesn't get it she will die and the foetus can be delivered alive, if you've already made the moral decision that the mothers life is 'greater' than that of the foetus, then her wellbeing, psychological as well as physical, must matter.
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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2015, 06:41:07 AM »

Abortion restrictions are annoying. Organisms don't matter unless they can feel emotion. For all I care, you can have abortions just for fun if you want.

OK, this is gross. Abortions are not 'fun'. People have horrifying experiences with abortions and are mentally traumatized with seeing baby parts being sucked up. Everybody should want less abortions, abortions should never be seen as a positive thing. They should be seen as 'justified' if necessary but not good.

The "if you want" part is kind of relevant here.
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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2015, 06:56:28 AM »


Ok, what do pro-choice people think, the thing developing in your stomach is? That thing is going to be a baby and to abort the child, is to kill the going to be alive child, you could have been aborted and you do not have chance to live, a human right. The fetus has a heart, has bodily organs, consumes food and can feel pain after 20 weeks. The baby has bodily features, so it is more than just a bunch of cells, abortion is the killing of an innocent child who has been deprived of the right to life.
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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2015, 07:03:10 AM »


Ok, what do pro-choice people think, the thing developing in your stomach is? That thing is going to be a baby and to abort the child, is to kill the going to be alive child, you could have been aborted and you do not have chance to live, a human right. The fetus has a heart, has bodily organs, consumes food and can feel pain after 20 weeks. The baby has bodily features, so it is more than just a bunch of cells, abortion is the killing of an innocent child who has been deprived of the right to life.


Yes, the thing developing inside a woman's uterus is a human (food goes in the stomach, baby goes in the uterus), but it should not have the same rights as people who have already been born until it can feel emotion (which actually happens after thalamocortical connections are created around 28 weeks into gestation, well into the third trimester). To argue that a fetus should have rights merely because it has the potential to do so is kind of absurd, as the same argument could be used to assert that all egg and sperm cells should be given the same rights as people because they have the potential.

Whether the fetus has "bodily features" is irrelevant; why should it not be?
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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2015, 08:33:38 AM »


Ok, what do pro-choice people think, the thing developing in your stomach is? That thing is going to be a baby and to abort the child, is to kill the going to be alive child, you could have been aborted and you do not have chance to live, a human right. The fetus has a heart, has bodily organs, consumes food and can feel pain after 20 weeks. The baby has bodily features, so it is more than just a bunch of cells, abortion is the killing of an innocent child who has been deprived of the right to life.


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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2015, 09:25:17 PM »

No, it should be illegal (except for the exceptions yada yada), but parental consent would be a fair compromise, at least temporarily.

Is it really? Either you conciser the life of a fetus equivalent to that of a newborn baby, which means parental consent wouldn't make it any more morally acceptable to kill it, or you don't, which mean's parental connect doesn't matter becasue it's morally acceptable anyway. How does this compromise make sense for either side?

I do consider the life of a fetus equivalent to that of a newborn baby, so you're right parental consent wouldn't make it any more morally acceptable, but I think this would lead to less abortions. I want to see more done on restricting abortion, but if I was a legislator and I had to vote on this bill I would support it because it probably would lead to less abortions, and I think less abortions is good.
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2015, 09:38:56 PM »


Ok, what do pro-choice people think, the thing developing in your stomach is? That thing is going to be a baby and to abort the child, is to kill the going to be alive child, you could have been aborted and you do not have chance to live, a human right. The fetus has a heart, has bodily organs, consumes food and can feel pain after 20 weeks. The baby has bodily features, so it is more than just a bunch of cells, abortion is the killing of an innocent child who has been deprived of the right to life.


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