Australia General Discussion 2.0

[GoTfan]

https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/federal-politics/mark-latham-to-join-pauline-hansons-one-nation-party-ng-b881014130z

Mark Latham, former leader of the Labor Party to join One Nation.

That is the political equivalent of Hillary Clinton teaming up with Alex Jones.

Speaking as a Labor member, people like Mark Latham and Anna Bligh have effectively been Trotskyfied.  That is to say, airbrushed out of existence. They're rarely spoken of, and when they are, It's only to label them as sell-outs.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/federal-politics/mark-latham-to-join-pauline-hansons-one-nation-party-ng-b881014130z

Mark Latham, former leader of the Labor Party to join One Nation.

That is the political equivalent of Hillary Clinton teaming up with Alex Jones.

Speaking as a Labor member, people like Mark Latham and Anna Bligh have effectively been Trotskyfied.  That is to say, airbrushed out of existence. They're rarely spoken of, and when they are, It's only to label them as sell-outs.

We've done the same thing to Malcolm Fraser and John Hewson.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

LUKE FOLEY HAS RESIGNED AS LEADER OF THE NSW LABOR PARTY

[AustralianSwingVoter]

LIVE IMAGES FROM INSIDE THE NSW LIBERAL PARTY

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Crisis has been averted, Labor is reportedly lining up, wait for it, Michael Daley. (!, yes really.). NSW Labor is making sure the tradition of sh!tty leaders will stay strong for a long time yet. Thank God. (for us)

[PSOL]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-china-pacific/china-shuns-rivalry-in-pacific-as-australia-says-this-is-our-patch-idUSKCN1NC333

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How does the Australian public view an encroaching China?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-china-pacific/china-shuns-rivalry-in-pacific-as-australia-says-this-is-our-patch-idUSKCN1NC333

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How does the Australian public view an encroaching China?

On the one hand we hate foreigners.
On the other hand they buy all our Iron Ore (aka 80% of our GDP)

[Slow Learner]

https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/federal-politics/mark-latham-to-join-pauline-hansons-one-nation-party-ng-b881014130z

Mark Latham, former leader of the Labor Party to join One Nation.

That is the political equivalent of Hillary Clinton teaming up with Alex Jones.

latham is quite possibly insane

he kissed milo yiannogfjargoajgoj the other month

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Michael Daley, Deputy Leader and Shadow Minister for Planning, has been elected leader of the NSW Labor Party, beating Shadow Minister for Water Chris Minns by 33 votes to 12.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Final Wentworth Distribution of Preferences (yes, the AEC really is just so fast, aren't they)

Dave Sharma	43.1	43.1	43.1	43.2	43.2	43.4	43.5	43.6	43.7	43.8	44.0	44.4	44.8	45.7	48.8
Kerryn Phelps	29.2	29.2	29.2	29.2	29.3	29.3	29.5	29.5	29.6	29.8	30.0	30.3	31.7	36.4	51.2
Tim Murray	11.5	11.5	11.6	11.6	11.6	11.7	11.7	11.7	11.8	11.9	12.0	12.2	12.6	18.0
Dominic Wy Kanak	8.6	8.6	8.6	8.6	8.7	8.7	8.9	9.1	9.3	9.5	9.8	10.0	10.9
Licia Heath	2.3	2.3	2.3	2.3	2.3	2.3	2.4	2.4	2.4	2.6	2.7	3.1
Angela Vithoulkas	1.1	1.1	1.1	1.1	1.1	1.2	1.2	1.2	1.3	1.3	1.4
Andrea Leong	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.8	0.8	0.9
Shayne Higson	0.6	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.7	0.8	0.9	0.9	1.1
Deb Doyle	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.7	0.7
Kay Dunne	0.5	0.5	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6
Robert Callanan	0.5	0.5	0.5	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.7
Samuel Gunning	0.5	0.5	0.5	0.5	0.5
Barry Keldoulis	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.4
Tony Robinson	0.2	0.2	0.2
Ben Forsyth	0.2	0.2
Steven Georgantis	0.1

[Meclazine for Israel]

I dont think we should have preferences. The guy smashed her by 14 points and loses.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I dont think we should have preferences. The guy smashed her by 14 points and loses.

There's a reason we adopted preferencing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_by-election,_1918
Also, it does work. We've acclimatised to it very well over the 100 years we've been using it.

[Meclazine for Israel]

I think it's too hard for voters to figure out secondary options.

The preferences are mostly in the domain of the political parties.

Knowing a lot of people dont look at them in detail when they vote.

But getting something changed within the Australian government is a generational thing.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I think it's too hard for voters to figure out secondary options.

The preferences are mostly in the domain of the political parties.

Knowing a lot of people dont look at them in detail when they vote.

But getting something changed within the Australian government is a generational thing.

All that really matters with preferences is whether you put Labor or the Liberals ahead of the other.
Other than that, all the other numbers don't really matter. All that matters is which of the 2 main candidates you put first, be they Liberal, Labor, National, Greens or an Independent.

[GoTfan]

I think it's too hard for voters to figure out secondary options.

The preferences are mostly in the domain of the political parties.

Knowing a lot of people dont look at them in detail when they vote.

But getting something changed within the Australian government is a generational thing.

All that really matters with preferences is whether you put Labor or the Liberals ahead of the other.
Other than that, all the other numbers don't really matter. All that matters is which of the 2 main candidates you put first, be they Liberal, Labor, National, Greens or an Independent.

Preferencing works because it means people can vote for who they want first, then go down the list.


In other news, Labor has won an absolute landslide in Victoria.

[MaxQue]

I think it's too hard for voters to figure out secondary options.

The preferences are mostly in the domain of the political parties.

Knowing a lot of people dont look at them in detail when they vote.

But getting something changed within the Australian government is a generational thing.

Well, the population of Australia shouldn't be subjected to a worse voting system because it's too hard for you.

[Lachi]

So you would prefer that we go with that the minority want, rather then what the majority prefer?

[PSOL]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-australia-protests/australian-kids-walk-out-of-school-to-protest-climate-inaction-idUSKCN1NZ0FN

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Not good for PM Morrison’s re-election campaign when these kids actually turn up to vote.

[GoTfan]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-australia-protests/australian-kids-walk-out-of-school-to-protest-climate-inaction-idUSKCN1NZ0FN

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Not good for PM Morrison’s re-election campaign when these kids actually turn up to vote.

Well voting's compulsory; you face a fine if you don't vote.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-australia-protests/australian-kids-walk-out-of-school-to-protest-climate-inaction-idUSKCN1NZ0FN

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Not good for PM Morrison’s re-election campaign when these kids actually turn up to vote.

Well voting's compulsory; you face a fine if you don't vote.

I think he meant when they reached the legal voting age.

The coalition really is in a weird stage. It's as if they've abdicated their traditional role as "natural party of government" and just become a party that relishes being in opposition.

[brucejoel99]

ScoMo just introduced (& the Liberal party room passed) a new threshold to trigger a leadership spill/knifing of a sitting PM.

In regards to a leader elected at a federal election, a spill can now only occur w/ the support of 2/3rds of the party room.

The current rules still apply while in Opposition, & while in government to a hypothetical PM (e.g. ScoMo) who had previously rolled the PM elected at the last election (e.g. Malcolm).

What this means is that the rule change doesn't yet apply to ScoMo, so it's still just as easy to roll him before the election today as it was yesterday before this rule change was passed; however, if (by some miracle) the Libs win the election w/ him as leader, then the rule change would at that point secure his job as PM for the foreseeable future (that is, until a prospective challenger gains the support of 2/3rds of the party room).

The changes don't apply to the deputy leader position.

Oh, & if these changes had been in place before the August leadership spill, Malcolm would still be PM... (hell, if these changes had been in place before Malcolm's 2015 knifing of Abbott, then Abbott would've never been toppled, the Libs would've lost 2016, & Shorten would be leading Labor into a 2019 election as PM right now, probably against either Malcolm or Bishop).

Also, who else is ready for the inevitable Abbott vs. Bishop spill come next yr. after A.) the Libs inevitably lose the election; B.) ScoMo resigns as leader; & C.) Dutton loses his marginal seat in said election?

[brucejoel99]

Never ask a question you don't know the answer to...

[Lachi]

https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/1076969393848868864
Oh my...

[Meclazine for Israel]

Clive Palmer's gonna cop it.
You know, he's gonna cop it.
Clive Palmer's gonna cop it........

when he rocks up at the Civil Court in the future chased by Twisted Sister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

Clive Palmer's version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR37IQsucGE

Media story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjYy11ArH4

On 1 January 2019, Dee Snyder issued a warning to stop using it. He is personally coming to Australia in 3 weeks time to deal "with it".

Clive Palmer is still using the ad in a defiant move to Twisted Sister. That means one thing in a Civil Court in Australia..............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Any excuse to post some of the best metal videos ever made......I Wanna Rock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwrg0db_zY

[PSOL]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-immigration/australia-says-last-asylum-seeker-children-will-soon-leave-nauru-idUSKCN1PR0QA

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Finally, now to complete the deal shut down that concentration camp for adults as well.