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« Reply #250 on: February 07, 2017, 01:47:11 am »

Haha

Odds on another spill?
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« Reply #251 on: February 07, 2017, 05:29:46 am »


Not gonna happen. At least for a while. They'll wait for the Bernardi thing to blow over before trying anything. If there is going to be a spill, it won't happen anytime soon. The conservatives-mainly Abbott and Dutton-have been calling out Bernardi over his decision to leave, calling him an cowardly opportunist.

I've got better odds on Bernardi crawling back to the Liberals before he's put on the line in 2022/
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« Reply #252 on: February 07, 2017, 04:16:30 pm »

New Senate layout, as of Feb. 8



GOVERNMENT: 29
LIB: 20 (-1)
QLD LNP: 5
NAT: 3
CLP: 1

OPPOSITION
ALP: 26

CROSSBENCH: 19
GRN: 9
NXT: 3
ON: 3
LDP: 1
Lambie: 1
Hinch: 1
Aus. Conservatives: 1 (new party)
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« Reply #253 on: February 07, 2017, 04:32:32 pm »

They still haven't filled Day's seat?
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« Reply #254 on: February 07, 2017, 05:33:40 pm »

They still haven't filled Day's seat?
No.
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« Reply #255 on: February 15, 2017, 05:37:01 am »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-12/fallout-over-liberal-one-nation-preference-deal-in-wa/8263756

Haha. Liberal volunteers will be asked to hand out One Nation voter cards at the upcoming WA state election after the Liberals reached a deal with One Nation.

This election is all over now.



He has been there for 8 years, and we might get 12.

I don't mind Colin Barnett, but I think he has missed the financial gains that the mining boom should have delivered to the state coffers.

There are so many mining, oil and gas development projects that could have been setup better for the interests of the state rather than the corporate world.

Rio Tinto and BHP are crying poor at the threat of a new mining tax when they are the two largest mining companies in the world.  
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« Reply #256 on: February 15, 2017, 07:06:17 am »

Hilarious that the Nationals are pushing for a mining tax, after the chaos of Rudd's departure and Gillard's mangled implementation.
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« Reply #257 on: February 15, 2017, 08:27:36 am »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-12/fallout-over-liberal-one-nation-preference-deal-in-wa/8263756

Haha. Liberal volunteers will be asked to hand out One Nation voter cards at the upcoming WA state election after the Liberals reached a deal with One Nation.

This election is all over now.



He has been there for 8 years, and we might get 12.

I don't mind Colin Barnett, but I think he has missed the financial gains that the mining boom should have delivered to the state coffers.

There are so many mining, oil and gas development projects that could have been setup better for the interests of the state rather than the corporate world.

Rio Tinto and BHP are crying poor at the threat of a new mining tax when they are the two largest mining companies in the world. 
Watch, this deal will backfire in a spectacular fashion.
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« Reply #258 on: February 16, 2017, 06:45:06 pm »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-12/fallout-over-liberal-one-nation-preference-deal-in-wa/8263756

Haha. Liberal volunteers will be asked to hand out One Nation voter cards at the upcoming WA state election after the Liberals reached a deal with One Nation.

This election is all over now.



He has been there for 8 years, and we might get 12.

I don't mind Colin Barnett, but I think he has missed the financial gains that the mining boom should have delivered to the state coffers.

There are so many mining, oil and gas development projects that could have been setup better for the interests of the state rather than the corporate world.

Rio Tinto and BHP are crying poor at the threat of a new mining tax when they are the two largest mining companies in the world. 
Watch, this deal will backfire in a spectacular fashion.

Yup. Hell, Hanson and her cronies make Turnbull and his look downright sensible.
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« Reply #259 on: February 24, 2017, 07:14:31 pm »

So apparently Abbott's angling for a return to the top job.
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« Reply #260 on: February 24, 2017, 07:20:35 pm »

He's genuinely delusional. I mean, Rudd managed to get back in because even if his colleagues hated his guts, the public were broadly sympathetic to him still (relative to Gillard anyway). Who - Liberal MP's and Australians alike - has any nostalgia for the Abbott era? Not to mention even his idealogical wing seems to have lost their patience. At best, he'd be an inadvertent staking horse, by striking Turnbull a blow that will be taken advantage of by a less toxic figure like Morrison, or , if the Libs are especially stupid, Dutton.
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« Reply #261 on: February 24, 2017, 07:25:05 pm »

He's genuinely delusional. I mean, Rudd managed to get back in because even if his colleagues hated his guts, the public were broadly sympathetic to him still (relative to Gillard anyway). Who - Liberal MP's and Australians alike - has any nostalgia for the Abbott era? Not to mention even his idealogical wing seems to have lost their patience. At best, he'd be an inadvertent staking horse, by striking Turnbull a blow that will be taken advantage of by a less toxic figure like Morrison, or , if the Libs are especially stupid, Dutton.

That's the thing. Even most of the Coalition's right wing agreed he had to go.

The one guy who didn't has thrown a temper tantrum and jumped over to the crossbench, because he wants to make himself less relevant.

Either way, Shorten must be thinking every day is Christmas at this point. All he has to do is point out one or two things each day watch the Liberals collapse in on themselves.

Ready for the 2019 Labor landslide?
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« Reply #262 on: February 24, 2017, 09:41:48 pm »

I haven't seen this much public concern about industrial relations in ages, the FWC ruling is going to be a major headache for the libs.
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« Reply #263 on: February 24, 2017, 11:30:06 pm »

I haven't seen this much public concern about industrial relations in ages, the FWC ruling is going to be a major headache for the libs.

Meanwhile Shorten and Plibersek are laughing their butts off.
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« Reply #264 on: February 26, 2017, 04:16:32 pm »

If the federal election was held today, the L/NP would be swept out of office in the biggest labor landslide in electoral history.

2PP
LAB: 55% (+1)
L/NP: 45 (-1)

PRIMARY VOTE: LAB +3
LAB: 37% (+1)
L/NP: 34% (-1)
GRN: 10% (+1)
ON: 10% (+2)
OTH: 9 (-2, most of this other vote would be NXT)

SEAT PROJECTIONS (courtesy of The Australian)
LAB: 89 (+20)
L/NP: 56 (-20)
OTH: 5 (0) (1 GRN, 1 NXT, 1 KAP, 2 IND)

This will no doubt cause a leadership spill within the L/NP. Gonna be a very exciting few weeks in Australian politics.
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« Reply #265 on: February 26, 2017, 04:36:32 pm »

wow

may i ask what are the main reasons for this change?

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« Reply #266 on: February 26, 2017, 04:58:35 pm »

wow

may i ask what are the main reasons for this change?


Mainly a lot of instability within the L/NP, the rise of One Nation, and e multiple gaffes committed by senior party figures.
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« Reply #267 on: February 26, 2017, 05:30:41 pm »

The penalty rates conversation has been illuminating.

Let me share something with you all.  I have worked in hospitality for ten years.  I have never received any penalty rates for working on weekends.  Most hospitality jobs now, particularly small businesses, pay below the minimum wage.

So to see all of this uproar about people losing income - and I do feel very badly for people affected by this - makes me a little bit bitter.

The casual sectors - be it hospitality, retail, sanitation, or anything else that people look down on you for - have been seeing outright wage declines for the better part of a decade.  When you combine this with the fact that there is no longer full-time work available, it means that take-home pay gets lower every year.  The best you can hope for these days is 25 hours a week at a place that pays the minimum wage.  But even that is pretty hard to find.

I point this out because the productivity commission made a fatal error in justifying this decision.  Businesses will not be "boosted" by this because many of them were not paying penalty rates to begin with.  Workers who are affected will have less money to spend on the very businesses that are supposed to benefit.

These businesses are usually several steps ahead of the law in their methods of exploitation.  What this decision signals is not that penalty rates are gone - they already were - but merely that owners have been given the green light to further deteriorate the conditions of their employees.

In Australia in 2017, workers under 30 can expect not to be provided with breaks, or if they do get breaks, they will be timed according to how long it takes you to scarf down a meal, rather than observing the legal entitlement of a half-hour.  It is increasingly difficult to get sick leave and annual leave.  Because the government refuses to plan the economy properly, there is a huge over supply of workers for these businesses, which means that they can get away with treating workers this way because they will burn out and be replaced very easily.  Looking for work at a fast food restaurant or a call center?  Join the very, very long queue.

Of course, we would never expect someone like Malcolm Turnbull to understand any of this, because he doesn't work weekends and he stores his cash in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying taxes while he arrogantly pleads with us to buy private health insurance.  Yeah, sure, I'd love to cough up thousands of dollars on shoddy and pointless insurance with money that I don't have.
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« Reply #268 on: February 26, 2017, 09:47:58 pm »

So... Who wants to bet on who'll be rolling Turnbull out the door?

Also, projected gains for Labor if the 4.5% swing was uniform:
WA: +3: Pearce, Hasluck, Swan
SA: +1:  Boothby
QLD: +8: Leichhardt, Dickson, Petrie, Bonner, Forde, Capricornia, Dawson, Flynn
VIC: +4: Chisholm, Corangamite, Dunkley, La Trobe
NSW: +4: Banks, Gilmore, Page, Robertson
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« Reply #269 on: February 27, 2017, 05:46:01 pm »

So... Who wants to bet on who'll be rolling Turnbull out the door?

Also, projected gains for Labor if the 4.5% swing was uniform:
WA: +3: Pearce, Hasluck, Swan
SA: +1:  Boothby
QLD: +8: Leichhardt, Dickson, Petrie, Bonner, Forde, Capricornia, Dawson, Flynn
VIC: +4: Chisholm, Corangamite, Dunkley, La Trobe
NSW: +4: Banks, Gilmore, Page, Robertson

As I said, Shorten must be thinking every day is Christmas at this point.
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« Reply #270 on: February 27, 2017, 05:55:59 pm »

So... Who wants to bet on who'll be rolling Turnbull out the door?

Also, projected gains for Labor if the 4.5% swing was uniform:
WA: +3: Pearce, Hasluck, Swan
SA: +1:  Boothby
QLD: +8: Leichhardt, Dickson, Petrie, Bonner, Forde, Capricornia, Dawson, Flynn
VIC: +4: Chisholm, Corangamite, Dunkley, La Trobe
NSW: +4: Banks, Gilmore, Page, Robertson

As I said, Shorten must be thinking every day is Christmas at this point.
Yep, especially if Turnbull gets rolled. If the Liberal Party installed someone like Abbott, or Dutton, I won't be surprised if Labor's 2PP goes near 60
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« Reply #271 on: February 28, 2017, 10:28:47 am »

I hope Dutton does take the role, seeing that his seat is marginal.
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« Reply #272 on: March 03, 2017, 07:03:15 pm »

I hope Dutton does take the role, seeing that his seat is marginal.

Oh it'd be fun to see a hypothetical PM Dutton lose his seat to some local no-name.
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« Reply #273 on: March 04, 2017, 12:11:46 am »

Oh look; the resurgent One Nation is beginning to fall to bits already.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-03/one-nation-candidate-quits-kalamunda-candidacy/8323792
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« Reply #274 on: March 04, 2017, 05:40:14 am »

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