Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

[Classic Conservative]

I also object.

[Classic Conservative]

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This is an Admendment.

[Classic Conservative]

proposed amendment:

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I object to evergreen's proposed amendment.

This amendment sets a dangerous precedent.  All regions are part of one nation, and therefore the federal government, which represents the entire nation, should have input into such an important and far reaching action as secession. 

Seceding from the nation should not be a simple procedure.  There should be more input in this matter than, for example, a referendum in the region that passes by one vote, or whatever.

The United Nations charter supports self-determination, should the voters of an area want that. It would be undemocratic to deny the rights of a region to become independent.

Hate to tell you but Atlasia isn't governed by the UN charter it's governed by our constitution.

[Classic Conservative]

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This is an Admendment.

I support this amendment, perhaps re-worded

6.  Regions, states, or groups shall not have the right to secede from Atlasia or any of its territories.

I'll reword it.

[Classic Conservative]

I can only support this Admendment if you get rid of the national referendum and then change the wording to 'local assembly and have been passed by a referendum.

[Classic Conservative]

But I still believe that the regions signed on to be part of this Union and with that they don't have the right to secede. Much, like the Confederacy and the Northeast is the Confederacy at this time.

[Classic Conservative]

But I still believe that the regions signed on to be part of this Union and with that they don't have the right to secede. Much, like the Confederacy and the Northeast is the Confederacy at this time.

tsss

the vast, vast majority of present-day northeasterners were not around at the founding of atlasia. and even if they had been, everything is entirely different now than it was then.

I understand that sentiment but regions should only secede if the government is infringing on their citizens basic fined mental rights. Please tell me how the Atlasian government has infringed on your rights?

[Classic Conservative]

I personally believe that the Midwest should go with the Mideast and the Pacific with the South. Why would you put two failing regions together you would get a giant barely thriving region. It doesn't make sense to put two failing regions together and then expect them to thrive, if you put a failing region together and a thriving one you will get a even more thriving region. Also, we should all start talking about devolution, but we've been to busy with the independence and seccesion debate.

[Classic Conservative]

i object in the strongest possible way

the right to self-determination is recognised worldwide as a fundamental human right, and i can't support a constitution that utterly destroys it like this.

Agreed - it would be undemocratic to deny self-determination.

I see the KKK marching in playing Dixie and waving the Confederate flag here they are:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-s51B66Sl4

[Classic Conservative]

we're not the ones splashing confederate flags everywhere

This would be a better song and flag for the Northeast
The Bonnie Blue Flag
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-3WAhbulFs
Change Southern Rights to Northern Rights.

[Classic Conservative]

YEA

[Classic Conservative]

Nay on the fascist Classic Conservative amendment.

For the love of God I'm not a fascist, nor is anyone other Atlasia here, you might not like my views on some issue but disagreement doesn't make someone a fascist.

[Classic Conservative]

I agree with Duke what's the point of having a country if everyone can just say I'm bored let's have blank region leave and form our own nation.

[Classic Conservative]

I propose an amendment.

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I object.

[Classic Conservative]

I also object to NeverAgains Admendment we already have an Admendment that passed, we don't need to keep debating this forever and ever.

[Classic Conservative]

What you don't get to grasp the idea of Oakvale, is that splitting up a nation will kill a nation. With all do respect you're smart enough to know this.

[Classic Conservative]

I can see secession if you are living under a tyrannical central government, who is imposing their will on a region, and forcing you to live in fear, i.e. Russia/Ukraine.

But in a democracy with all the rights enjoyed by Atlasians, giving unquestioned authority to a group of malcontents to secede is ridiculous.

We have passed an amendment banning secession.

Time to move on.   

Hear hear.

[Classic Conservative]

I object.

[Classic Conservative]

Nay

[Classic Conservative]

Nay

[Classic Conservative]

Nay

[Classic Conservative]

If we have seccesion it should be 3/4 but I still won't any measure it allows seccesion

[Classic Conservative]

NO NO NO

[Classic Conservative]

How many regions there should be?

[1] 3
[2] 4

[Classic Conservative]

I object, I cannot support that map beacuse of regional instability at that time with both the Pacific and to some extent the Midwest. I will propose a map later.