Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

[Oakvale]

I would support 2 regions as outlined in Bore's plan of a couple of months ago.

I fully support Cylde's proposal - it's absurd that people would attempt to suppress democracy and, more importantly, activity by outlawing something that would inevitably make the game more entertaining and create a whole new range of issues.

I move we adopt Truman's proposal by acclamation to save time on a vote.

[Oakvale]

Nay on the fascist Classic Conservative amendment.

[Oakvale]

I propose an amendment.

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[Oakvale]

We can spend weeks arguing about this "right to secede" and whether it should exist based on real life precedents, but I have to ask, what is the point of seccession itself?

It certainly doesn't add a productive dynamic to the game, unless we call the increasingly ludicrous "lol, I'm rebelling against Nyman and creating my own country" stunts a useful part of the game. It doesn't make sense either in hypothetical terms to dismember the country and blow up the union, not to mention this "right to secede" is far from a usual norm across the world these days.

Why, then, are secession mechanisms (which seem awfully easy to overcome) something we need?

Typical fascist claptrap. If enough people want to form a new country they should have the right do so. Atlasia started because people wanted to do exactly that. The kind of absurd legalism that implies it should be against "muh rules" (which is what the Constitution is) will kill this game stone dead as it lies in hospital on life support.

[Oakvale]

What you don't get to grasp the idea of Oakvale, is that splitting up a nation will kill a nation. With all do respect you're smart enough to know this.

The nation's already dead. The signs of life that occasionally emerge when someone with a genuinely radical message like Talleyrand emerges doesn't change that. If anything, regional independence - and let's face it, this is a blatant slap in the fact to the Northeast Nationalists by the hacks running this Convention, and nothing more - would revitalise the game. But, you know, muh union.

OK, individuals should have the right to leave a country if they wish, sure, but I guess my argument is taking land with them. It's fine to leave a country out of protest, but taking your house and forming your own country using land of another is a bit much. People can have the right to leave but the federal government should have the right to enforce the union.

Otherwise, why have a federal government? Just make a confederation of states that all have their own autonomy and be done with it.

I'd be fine with that.

[Oakvale]

AYE. Free the Northeast.

[Oakvale]

Aye guess.

I second the motion for a simple "Should secession be legal?" ballot to settle this issue and see those of us who value democracy and human rights can best proceed.

[Oakvale]

Aye (respect human rights)

[Oakvale]

[1] 2 regions
[2] 3 regions

[Oakvale]

NAY.

[Oakvale]

Nay.

[Oakvale]

Aye