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Question: Which of the following Social issues do you see a possible Conservative shift in
Abortion   -24 (20.5%)
Immigration   -37 (31.6%)
Recreational Cannabis   -18 (15.4%)
SSM   -12 (10.3%)
Assisted Suicide   -2 (1.7%)
Death Penalty   -8 (6.8%)
None of the above   -15 (12.8%)
Other(please Specify)   -1 (0.9%)
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2015, 08:26:54 pm »
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Despite what JCL likes to imagine, SSM is over as an issue.  Polls show that Millenials who identify as CONSERVATIVE Republicans support its legalization by a healthy margin.  It's literally (even if you don't think the issues are analogous civil rights-wise) going to die the same death the interracial marriage debate did - whenever its opponents die off, it'll be settled and looked back on as barbaric that anyone ever opposed it.

I could see abortion having a conservative shift if more science emerges showing fetuses feeling pain and stuff like that ... at least a backlash against abortion on demand at any stage (which is already unpopular).  We'll probably see a conservative shift among Whites on immigration, but if they are also declining as a portion of the population, the net effect will probably be zero (I'd imagine new immigrants aren't exactly hardliners on the issue).
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2015, 08:38:06 pm »
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Why do you guys see conservatives shifting on abortion, as opposed to say SSM? On SSM, many younger republicans support it, whereas with abortion there is much less of a generational gap.

The problem is the way this question is worded. I can't tell if it means "society is going to be more conservative on these issues" vs. "Conservatives are going to change their mind on these issues".

For the former, abortion and immigration.

For the later, SSM and maybe weed.

I don't know about immigration. I agree abortion might become a lot closer, especially if people like Joe Manchin and Brian Sandoval get a bigger national platform.
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2015, 07:47:31 am »
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Immigration and Abortion. Americans want their jobs back and planned parenthoods baby selling parts video showed people how evil they are.
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2017, 05:57:40 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2017, 06:01:45 pm »
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Hopefully all of the above.
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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2017, 06:09:32 pm »
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Immigration, unfortunately.
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2017, 09:15:11 pm »
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Misunderstood the question and voted SSM.

I really think none of them
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 11:44:05 pm »
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2017, 08:18:29 am »
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I actually agree with all of this except for the death penalty ... I'm personally in favor of capital punishment, but I see that going away eventually.
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2017, 08:22:18 am »
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I hope all of this happens.
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2017, 10:29:44 am »
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Immigration, unfortunately.

^ this

I can see maybe abortion as well, but not nearly as much as immigration.
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2017, 07:58:52 pm »
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I actually agree with all of this except for the death penalty ... I'm personally in favor of capital punishment, but I see that going away eventually.

I'm glad we were finally able to agree on something, Tom.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2017, 08:00:09 pm »
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The future of Western civilization seems to be nihilism, narcissism, and a psychopathic "useless eaters" attitude towards everybody (which will unfortunately be especially prominent once antibiotics run out around the 2040s), so immigration is the only answer I can possibly see.
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2017, 06:00:53 pm »
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Immigration is the only issue I see a conservative renaissance. That's usually because of the fear that automation and jobs evaporating will create. That said, I don't disagree. I'm unfortunately of the belief Roe will stand as a horrific law that butchers babies. But the social mores are considered acceptable on that front and as secularism grows, Roe will stand. But we can probably cap it and that will see consensus on the Right.

Death penalty is probably going away, which I don't really like (although conservatives can probably remain split on it in the decades to come). I don't see a conservative social future. Gay marriage is done as a deal, drugs are done as a deal, largely. on balance, we're shifting to the left.
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2017, 11:33:12 pm »
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Abortion unfortunately. Not enough of these draconian obstacles Conservatives are putting up to make it harder for a woman to get the procedure are being struck down in the courts, and there are a disturbing number of people that would support forcing a rape victim to give birth to the spawn of a criminal, which in my view is, in a way,  somewhat of a "Soft on crime" position, as your giving a criminal the satisfaction of being a parent, and keep in mind said criminal can use parental laws in many states to control his victim. As far as this issue is concerned, I'm very scared for the future.

We're already moving rightward on immigration (for better and for worse), Recreational Cannabis has, thankfully, been shifting left for years, and will continue to. I can see a day where it's legalized at the federal level (though the private prison industry will fight it tooth and nail). As for SSM, as others have said, it's a done deal. Assisted Suicide is a bit trickier. On the one hand, I can see an overall leftward shift on it, but at the same time, I can see a "Pro Life" movement emerging and one that's just as strong as the one that emerged after 1973. With the Death Penalty, that is seeing a leftward shift as well, which is unfortunate IMHO because the tax payer should not have to feed, cloth, and shelter a criminal who committed a heinous crime (and one that was done without any reasonable doubt) for the rest of their life.
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2017, 12:48:18 pm »

Obviously the identity issues are going the worst, with abortion (hatred of women) and immigration (hatred of minorities) energizing conservatives the most. The other issues are all hit or miss. Overall, it's pretty much armageddon for liberals on social issues. I expect a hard right turn on the Court would entrench a conservative society deeply into American culture. However, this would be greatly resented by a not-so-conservative yet powerless urban majority.
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I actually agree with all of this except for the death penalty ... I'm personally in favor of capital punishment, but I see that going away eventually.

I'm glad we were finally able to agree on something, Tom.

I'm glad you are the voice of our generation!
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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2017, 05:33:02 pm »
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Abortion unfortunately. Not enough of these draconian obstacles Conservatives are putting up to make it harder for a woman to get the procedure are being struck down in the courts, and there are a disturbing number of people that would support forcing a rape victim to give birth to the spawn of a criminal, which in my view is, in a way,  somewhat of a "Soft on crime" position, as your giving a criminal the satisfaction of being a parent, and keep in mind said criminal can use parental laws in many states to control his victim. As far as this issue is concerned, I'm very scared for the future.

The "conservative" attitude on abortion in rape cases has nothing to do with the criminal. To conflate the snuffing out of the genetic offspring of a rapist with punishment or justice is to do either of those terms a gross miscarriage. I am unsure whether your position, or beet's interpretation of inherent misogyny in abortion opposition, is more absurd.
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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2017, 10:07:30 pm »
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I actually agree with all of this except for the death penalty ... I'm personally in favor of capital punishment, but I see that going away eventually.

I'm glad we were finally able to agree on something, Tom.

I'm glad you are the voice of our generation!

It is a heavy burden but one that I accept gladly.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2017, 11:40:25 am »
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Abortion unfortunately. Not enough of these draconian obstacles Conservatives are putting up to make it harder for a woman to get the procedure are being struck down in the courts, and there are a disturbing number of people that would support forcing a rape victim to give birth to the spawn of a criminal, which in my view is, in a way,  somewhat of a "Soft on crime" position, as your giving a criminal the satisfaction of being a parent, and keep in mind said criminal can use parental laws in many states to control his victim. As far as this issue is concerned, I'm very scared for the future.

The "conservative" attitude on abortion in rape cases has nothing to do with the criminal. To conflate the snuffing out of the genetic offspring of a rapist with punishment or justice is to do either of those terms a gross miscarriage. I am unsure whether your position, or beet's interpretation of inherent misogyny in abortion opposition, is more absurd.

Obviously it doesn't have anything to do with the criminal, their still unintentionally letting the criminal  win though in my view. With that said, criminals aside,  I still think the conservatives not wanting to allow abortions in cases of rape is absurd and dangerous to a woman's mental and emotional health.
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Abortion: In the long view, I expect that the levity with which we treat abortion will be viewed with horror by coming generations. In the shorter term, I don't think Roe will stand for very much longer.
Immigration: The shift has already happened.
Recreational cannabis: Recreational marijuana will be universally legal throughout the West very shortly but I can imagine it acquiring the same social stigma as tobacco. I know many young people who already view cannabis and cannabis "culture" in a very negative light.
SSM: A done deal.
Assisted Suicide: If anything, a 'liberal' shift will occur.
Death Penalty: I don't envision much movement at all.

I actually agree with all of this except for the death penalty ... I'm personally in favor of capital punishment, but I see that going away eventually.

I'm glad we were finally able to agree on something, Tom.

I'm glad you are the voice of our generation!

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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2017, 10:27:39 am »
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Immigration, unfortunately.
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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2017, 07:09:26 am »
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Immigration and abortion, which is good news.

SSM and weed are petty issues and conceding them isn't that much of a problem (even if the former is actually immoral), hardly any single-issue voters here. On the other hand, there are plenty of them on immigration and abortion.

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2017, 09:14:13 am »
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Immigration and abortion, which is good news.

SSM and weed are petty issues and conceding them isn't that much of a problem (even if the former is actually immoral), hardly any single-issue voters here. On the other hand, there are plenty of them on immigration and abortion.

Smoking marijuana is immoral. I, for one, would not mind replacing our stoners with church-going immigrants.
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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2017, 09:43:20 am »
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