Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[DC Al Fine]

Is it brave or foolhardy for a Quebec based politician to have ending supply management as one of his signature issues?

Foolhardy

Bernier probably lost the leadership race due to it. Andrew Scheer won a lot of rural Quebec seats thanks to pissed off dairy farmers that should have been easy wins for Maxime.

[DC Al Fine]

This is all very frustrating as a Tory. I didn't think Scheer would win the election for is but he was low risk and could capitalize to of events went our way. Though I don't think Bernier's party will be Reform 2.0, even a modest showing on his part could screw us out of a lot of seats.

https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1032690381647798272

Agreed. Scheer ought to be thankful that Bernier is such an undisciplined politician. That might be his best shot at recovery.

[DC Al Fine]

https://twitter.com/althiaraj/status/1032673390593638400

Two questions:

1) Anyone have suggestions for what he should call this new outfit?

2) You backing Bernier RB?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I mean, I'd be surprised if he got over fifteen percent in  his own seat, let alone seriously damage the Tories' chances elsewhere.

[Hatman 🍁]

Is it brave or foolhardy for a Quebec based politician to have ending supply management as one of his signature issues?

Foolhardy

Bernier probably lost the leadership race due to it. Andrew Scheer won a lot of rural Quebec seats thanks to pissed off dairy farmers that should have been easy wins for Maxime.

probably?

[Poirot]

Two questions:

1) Anyone have suggestions for what he should call this new outfit?

Is a new party allowed to use a word associated with another registered party in its name or could Elections Canada refuse a name that could create confusion ? Could he used the word conservative in a name, like real conservative or conservative libertarian. Or just join the Libertarian party if they already have a structure instead of starting from nothing.   

[2952-0-0]

I think it's a case by case basis. The Alliance (Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance) coexisted with the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. But the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist Leninist) was ordered by EC to register as Marxist Leninist Party of Canada due to likelihood of confusion with the Communist Party of Canada. Probably the former, since it's a more relevant precedent.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Vive Max.

[Don Vito Corleone]

I mean, I'd be surprised if he got over fifteen percent in his own seat, let alone seriously damage the Tories' chances elsewhere.

The Bernier name carries a lot of weight in Beauce, so his party will probably carry his own seat but no others.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

[DabbingSanta]

The PC party have drifted more and more towards liberalism. Such a split is an inevitability. There are many canadians who are very dissatisfied with the current choices.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/RobertFife/status/1032801736874962944

[Linus Van Pelt]

The issue that might lead such a party to take off is immigration. On economic issues, there's little appetite for a party to the right of Scheer's Conservatives. Most normal people don't care about supply management. But a large slice of the population is more hostile to immigration and multiculturalism than the leadership of all the political parties. Bernier is speaking for a lot of people who have felt unrepresented on these issues.

[mileslunn]

I mean, I'd be surprised if he got over fifteen percent in his own seat, let alone seriously damage the Tories' chances elsewhere.

The Bernier name carries a lot of weight in Beauce, so his party will probably carry his own seat but no others.

If the Tories were smart, they would run a dairy farmer as a candidate for Beauce against Bernier.  His riding I believe is in the top 10 for most dairy farms so they could make a difference.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

The issue that might lead such a party to take off is immigration. On economic issues, there's little appetite for a party to the right of Scheer's Conservatives. Most normal people don't care about supply management. But a large slice of the population is more hostile to immigration and multiculturalism than the leadership of all the political parties. Bernier is speaking for a lot of people who have felt unrepresented on these issues.

Most Canadians don't care about supply management because they don't understand what it is. The new Bernier party should (and presumably will) campaign on halving Canadians' grocery bills on staple goods and that will strike a chord.

[King of Kensington]

How does Bernier reconcile his libertarianism with his newfound focus on multiculturalism and immigration?  Anti-immigration politicians usually have some "protectionist" policies and tailor their message to the economically insecure?  But libertarianism is an idelogy of the well-off with little mass appeal.  You won't find much support for it outside the National Post and the Fraser Institute.

[DC Al Fine]

How does Bernier reconcile his libertarianism with his newfound focus on multiculturalism and immigration?  Anti-immigration politicians usually have some "protectionist" policies and tailor their message to the economically insecure?  But libertarianism is an idelogy of the well-off with little mass appeal.  You won't find much support for it outside the National Post and the Fraser Institute.

I don't think he's figured that out yet. At the press conference the media kept asking him about immigration and multiculturalism, but he refused to answer and kept trying to steer the conversation back to supply management and corporate welfare.

[DC Al Fine]

Most of the Beauce riding association has resigned, so it looks like Bernier will have a decent organization in his own seat at least.

[Hatman 🍁]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

No idea, but I bet it will be something vague and boring.

[DC Al Fine]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

No idea, but I bet it will be something vague and boring.

Strong words coming from an NDP supporter 

[Hatman 🍁]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

No idea, but I bet it will be something vague and boring.

Strong words coming from an NDP supporter 

Hey, when did I ever say I liked the name? At least it beats "New Party".

[cp]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

No idea, but I bet it will be something vague and boring.

Strong words coming from an NDP supporter 

Hey, when did I ever say I liked the name? At least it beats "New Party".

Lol. Maybe we should just go with 'The Party'. It's got a nice Soviet ring to it

In all sincerity, Bernier would probably try to come up with something idiosyncratic, knowing his enormous ego. I'm thinking something like 'En Marche' by Macron.

[Poirot]

to go with libertarian and individual freedom theme and having a name that is similar as much as possible in English and French, I propose the name Liberty / Liberté.

[EPG]

Any clue unto what this party might be named? I don't know why I'm so interested in that rather small detail, but I am.

No idea, but I bet it will be something vague and boring.

Strong words coming from an NDP supporter 

Hey, when did I ever say I liked the name? At least it beats "New Party".

Lol. Maybe we should just go with 'The Party'. It's got a nice Soviet ring to it

In all sincerity, Bernier would probably try to come up with something idiosyncratic, knowing his enormous ego. I'm thinking something like 'En Marche' by Macron.

Surely "En Marche avec Maxime"

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/acoyne/status/1033115545321783301

https://twitter.com/lawrence_cannon/status/1033144700335804417