Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[DC Al Fine]

Also, Neil MacDonald said in his column on the bill he doesn't trust Singh (Scheer too) to keep his religion out of politics.

*Sigh*

Are there any Sikh views that most secular folk would find objectionable a la Evangelical opposition to abortion, or is this more Liberal/Bloc concern trolling?

[mileslunn]

Actually CAQ and PQ voted against it, but only because they felt it didn't go far enough.  They want to introduce legislation that will go even further.  Interestingly enough next door in Ontario, the legislature unanimously condemned it.  I am guessing Wynne did this to try and trip up Patrick Brown which she has tried and many issues and everytime she tries he refuses to take the bait.  In fact Lisa MacLeod of the PCs asked if Ontario would ask for intervener status in a court case if a charter challenge is launched against this.

[Vega]

Out of curiosity, why was the poll at the above of the page added, and who did it? I created this thread but had no part in creating a poll. Just curious.

[mileslunn]

Out of curiosity, why was the poll at the above of the page added, and who did it? I created this thread but had no part in creating a poll. Just curious.

I added this, but meant the Alberta UCP leadership discussion so accidentally got put on the wrong page.  Do you know how to move this to the correct one?

[Vega]

Out of curiosity, why was the poll at the above of the page added, and who did it? I created this thread but had no part in creating a poll. Just curious.

I added this, but meant the Alberta UCP leadership discussion so accidentally got put on the wrong page.  Do you know how to move this to the correct one?

How though? I wasn't aware that non-moderators could edit a topic to include a poll. I'll see if a Mod can delete it, as this thread will probably be around until the next election and it's weird to have that poll on it.

[mileslunn]

Out of curiosity, why was the poll at the above of the page added, and who did it? I created this thread but had no part in creating a poll. Just curious.

I added this, but meant the Alberta UCP leadership discussion so accidentally got put on the wrong page.  Do you know how to move this to the correct one?

How though? I wasn't aware that non-moderators could edit a topic to include a poll. I'll see if a Mod can delete it, as this thread will probably be around until the next election and it's weird to have that poll on it.

I can delete it, but we prefer to keep it up, just on a different thread so is there a way to move it.  I accidentally posted it in the wrong thread, otherwise a fair poll just not the right thread so hoping it can be moved over to the other one.  If that doesn't work I will then delete this one and redo a new one on the correct thread, but would rather not lose the votes so far.

[DC Al Fine]

Morneau is walking back some of the proposed tax changes and is cutting the small business tax rate.

I'm not a fan of the small business tax cut or the original changes, but geez Dippers, this must be killing you watching "progressive" party cutting corporate taxes.

[mileslunn]

Morneau is walking back some of the proposed tax changes and is cutting the small business tax rate.

I'm not a fan of the small business tax cut or the original changes, but geez Dippers, this must be killing you watching "progressive" party cutting corporate taxes.

Actually I think the dippers support small business tax cuts, but want to raise it on large corporations.  Nonetheless the Toronto Star has criticized this arguing like UK we should have a single rate as having different rates just acts as discouragement to grow larger as most large corporations originally started out as small businesses.

[MaxQue]

Morneau is walking back some of the proposed tax changes and is cutting the small business tax rate.

I'm not a fan of the small business tax cut or the original changes, but geez Dippers, this must be killing you watching "progressive" party cutting corporate taxes.

The current NDP policy on small businesses is built around 2 elements:
1. Lowering small businesses tax rate to 9%
2. Lowering the transaction fees businesses have to pay to when a customer uses debit/credit.

[DC Al Fine]

Really? Never would have guessed that. My mistake.

[Hatman 🍁]

Really? Never would have guessed that. My mistake.

Why? The NDP is all about helping the "little guy", and that includes small businesses.

[136or142]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

[mileslunn]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

[136or142]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

1.Carr has been an M.P for two years now.

2.From 1992 to 1997, Carr was on the editorial board of the Winnipeg Free Press. In 1998, he became president and CEO of the Business Council of Manitoba,[4] an organization which he co-founded.

[MaxQue]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

[mileslunn]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

Considering how strongly the economy is growing I don't think a deficit hawk would be too big a problem and a balanced budget before 2019 would be a pleasant surprise and make it more difficult for the Tories to pull over the Blue Liberals they need to win.  Now if the economy tanks that is a different story, but I suspect even Brison would be fine with a deficit if we go into recession.  The idea of a large deficit may have had some logic when our economy was struggling to reach 1% growth but makes little sense at 3% growth.

[136or142]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

Considering how strongly the economy is growing I don't think a deficit hawk would be too big a problem and a balanced budget before 2019 would be a pleasant surprise and make it more difficult for the Tories to pull over the Blue Liberals they need to win.  Now if the economy tanks that is a different story, but I suspect even Brison would be fine with a deficit if we go into recession.  The idea of a large deficit may have had some logic when our economy was struggling to reach 1% growth but makes little sense at 3% growth.

People like balanced budgets in abstract, but I don't think a governing party ever lost an election for having a deficit. 

[MaxQue]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

Considering how strongly the economy is growing I don't think a deficit hawk would be too big a problem and a balanced budget before 2019 would be a pleasant surprise and make it more difficult for the Tories to pull over the Blue Liberals they need to win.  Now if the economy tanks that is a different story, but I suspect even Brison would be fine with a deficit if we go into recession.  The idea of a large deficit may have had some logic when our economy was struggling to reach 1% growth but makes little sense at 3% growth.

My point is than Trudeau wants huge spending and a deficit now and I don't think Brison is interested in defending as Finance minister. Trudeau won't chnage his mind to please Brison, either.

[DC Al Fine]

Really? Never would have guessed that. My mistake.

Why? The NDP is all about helping the "little guy", and that includes small businesses.

The small business limit is $500k. I figured that would be too high to qualify as "little guy" for the NDP.

[Kingpoleon]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

Considering how strongly the economy is growing I don't think a deficit hawk would be too big a problem and a balanced budget before 2019 would be a pleasant surprise and make it more difficult for the Tories to pull over the Blue Liberals they need to win.  Now if the economy tanks that is a different story, but I suspect even Brison would be fine with a deficit if we go into recession.  The idea of a large deficit may have had some logic when our economy was struggling to reach 1% growth but makes little sense at 3% growth.

My point is than Trudeau wants huge spending and a deficit now and I don't think Brison is interested in defending as Finance minister. Trudeau won't chnage his mind to please Brison, either.

Maybe not, but Brison would be a powerful ally if Trudeau wants to be assured of his support in the event of a leadership challenge.

[MaxQue]

The PLQ MLA for Chomedey, Guy Ouellette has been arrested by the anti-corruption unit.

[DC Al Fine]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

[MaxQue]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

Well, it passed with only 1 vote against.
And you know very well than those "protests" are just screaming insults to patients and employees.

[mileslunn]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

Well, it passed with only 1 vote against.
And you know very well than those "protests" are just screaming insults to patients and employees.

Agree with the law, but think politics played a role too.  Wynne is not doing so well in the polls so she is trying everything possible to trip up the PCs.  Since many in the caucus are pro-life and even Brown once was, she was hoping at least some PCs would break ranks and vote against this which didn't happen, only Jack MacLaren who is now in the Trilium Party voted against.

[DC Al Fine]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

Well, it passed with only 1 vote against.
And you know very well than those "protests" are just screaming insults to patients and employees.

Speaking as a protester you're full of it Max.