Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[Lechasseur]

Trudeau's been a failure of a PM. I have a hard time buying that the "peoplekind" thing was a joke – he seemed to be taking it pretty seriously. Shows even more he likes to focus on non-issues.

[Lechasseur]

FPTP wins with 61% in BC.

The absolute worst thing is my BC Liberal acquaintances pretending to be progressive. They celebrate the defeat of proportional representation but two years ago lamented the way Trudeau abandoned it.

That was a weird case. I was annoyed at Trudeau abandoning democratic reform but at the same time, I would take FPTP over Trudeau's proposed IRV system and I'm a huge fan of proportional representation.

IRV is irritating since how much a party is disliked can have a substanstial effect on its result, regardless of it's vote share. FPTP has this, but the effect is much more muted.

Yeah, imo IRV is the worst election system possible. It also for the most part makes sure that two parties dominate a system and can't be punished the way they should be. The acceptable systems in my eyes are either FPTP, jungle primary+runoff or proportional representation. But I'd always vote against IRV.

[Lechasseur]

That summary has a lot of errors and issues. E.g. Putting Quebec politics on a left-right spectrum alone doesn't make sense.

Yeah, in Quebec I think it's more about Federalists (Liberals) vs Nationalists (most of the other parties). The Quebec Liberals were even led by the former federal Progressive Conservative leader, Jean Charest, for a long time, and I think he was the last Liberal Premier of Quebec if I'm not wrong.

At anyrate if I lived in Quebec I'd be a Conservative voter at federal level but a Liberal voter at provincial level.