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« on: October 29, 2015, 01:57:25 AM »

Sadly these incidences will probably become more common due to demographics in India.

This is not about demographics.

Prince Urusov was appointed governor of Bessarabia right after the worst pogrom in Chisinau. At the time, according to his own memoirs, he knew no more about Bessarabia than he knew about New Zealand - probably less. Nor did he know much about the Jews: he may had previously seen one or two in his entire life. Instructing him en route to his new posting the Interior Minister at the time (von Pleve) mentioned that he would like "less of that liberal Judeophilia". But the minister still mouthed the generalities about law and order: whatever the attitude about the Jews in St. Petersburg, the previous governor still had to be replaced post-pogrom, if only to mollify British newspapers.

Urusov took the minister at his word. So, when the local police an military chiefs reported to him that there were "rumors" about the new pogrom, he gave a very explicit instruction to maintain order and prevent rioting. He recalled later, that the police chief, having received the instructions, expressed visible relief. In all his previous years of service in Bessarabia, the chief had never been clear about what he was supposed to do during a pogrom. As a policeman, his instincts were to prevent disorders, but he had sensed that a pogrom was something that did not much displease his superiors, and had never been certain if punishing the rioters too harshly would be good for his standing with the authorities. An explicit and unambiguous order to prevent rioting made his job clear. To make the long story short, there was no pogrom in Chisinau as long as Urusov was governor.

I am pretty certain, if Mr. Modi were to talk clearly to his police officials, there would be a lot fewer pogroms going on.  
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 10:08:44 PM »

EVERY SINGLE religion / belief system / philosophy has its fanatics. Atheists do too.

But some religions have a greater segment of radicals per capita and those radicals have more influence. You can't compare Christianity in Europe

Europe has been recently relatively ok as far as religious fanaticism is concerned. But Christianity in Africa, Middle East, or, for that matter, the Americas... why not? Or, for that matter, is Balkans not Europe? Or was Europe a different continent a 100 years ago?
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 10:09:18 PM »

Yeah, 'cause none of us live in countries/states that ban or seriously restrict the hours one can shop on a specific day of the week Roll Eyes

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2015, 11:14:59 PM »



Even 100 years ago, I'm quite sure no Europeans ever attempted to lynch a guy for serving meat on a Friday during Lent.

You clearly do not consider, at least, Russians to be European Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2015, 12:35:20 AM »



Even 100 years ago, I'm quite sure no Europeans ever attempted to lynch a guy for serving meat on a Friday during Lent.

You clearly do not consider, at least, Russians to be European Smiley

Well, the Russia of 100 years ago was far less "European" as relative to, say, the modern-day Eurozone, than Turkey is today.

But even in that case the pogroms were about economic/political/ethnic reasons, not religious fanaticism.

In exactly the same way as in the case we are talking about in this thread. Tuesday haircut is but a pretext. And, of course, the pretexts for killing Jews would frequently be a lot more overtly religious: Jews killed Jesus, Jews ritually add blood of Christian babies into their matzo, Jews show off their religion ("оказательство") etc., etc.

I am afraid, you have a very idealized view of European Christianity even quite a bit less than a 100 years ago. As well as the rather scared view of non-Christians. My ancestors have had a lot more to fear from the Christians than from pretty much anyone else until very recently.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 06:11:27 PM »

Cory's post is a flagrant and morally irresponsible overgeneralization but

Hindutva is one of the worst religious movements in the world.

Agreed.  My church does missions with and communicates with multiple Reformed churches in India, and the persecution of Christians has really ramped up thanks to that ideology.  It's getting harder to preach the word of God there, and the Hindus tend to be extremely intolerant of the local Christians.

I don't mean to be dick*k head but what's with Christians trying to convert Hindus and try to change eastern, Hindu culture to western, christian culture. I know people who go up to  houses, knock make speech about how everyone should convert and about how the Hindu religion is fake. The US government funds these programs for 'charity' even though a substantial amount of work they do is converting peole and wanting more western cultures.

Christianity is a missionary, proselytizing religion. It has been like that for 2000 years. It is, what it is. Eastern people telling Christians to change their faith in this case is equally preposterous Smiley
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