United Methodist Church to keep opposing same-sex marriages, gay clergy

[Farmlands]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/02/26/united-methodist-church-votes-maintain-its-opposition-same-sex-marriage-gay-clergy/?utm_term=.9e2a7fd27996

Keeping in mind that the other rejected plan was to grant each local church the freedom to adhere to the old standards, based on their worshipers needs and desires, I hope they and their hate get abandoned en masse by everyone who calls themselves tolerant.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I sure hope a schism is coming.

[JGibson]

02.26.2019: the day the UMC died, at least among those who are progressive/LGBTQ-affirming.

[Del Tachi]

Congregational polity would have fixed all of this.

#GetReformed

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

02.26.2019: the day the UMC died, at least among those who are progressive/LGBTQ-affirming.

Oh, it's very much died among those who aren't as well. For a religious movement that tried its absolute utmost to uphold a big tent attitude towards slavery of all issues to descend into fratricidal point-scoring and lib-owning over The Gays is a betrayal of everything John and Charles Wesley stood for and reduces the Wesleyan tradition and mindset to a sick joke. God forbid we have a single Protestant denomination in this country that has space for anybody who's to the right of BRTD but to the left of Mike Pence. And yes, I'd be saying the same thing if LGBT-affirming Methodists had decided to move forward with punishing and expelling conservatives.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Good luck getting all those young people (back) into the church about whom you’ve been experiencing existential angst.
 
This was a decision made out of mean-spirited spite, not about what is and isn’t “biblical.” I pray that the UMC splits over this; at least no one will be under any illusions as to the “Christian forgiveness” of these third-rate latter-day caricatures of Pharisees.

From someone born and raised in the UMC: Good riddance.

[TDAS04]

A schism is needed.  LGBTQ-freindly Methodists deserves their own church, especially if they're such a large minority within the UMC.  

[Kingpoleon]

We have a lesbian bishop already, so this is still not very effective. I don’t imagine she will be cast out of the church by any stretch of the imagination.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Tbh I don't get how one can be a Christian and pro LGB at the same time, when homosexuality is repeatedly condemned as sinful in both testaments. It's basically admitting that the Bible is an inferior guide to ethical living than contemporary mores, which as an atheist I agree with, but seems kind of contradictory to accept and still believe that Biblical teachings are divinely inspired. If Paul was wrong about homosexuality being sinful then why do any of his other teachings hold water?

(Though to be fair the same thing could be said about adultery/divorce and premarital sex which tons of Christians both liberal and conservative have no problem with, so whatever.)

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Sorry libs but they did the right thing.

[dead0man]

Apparently this was done by African and Asian UMCs over the objections from most of the western delegates.  To make matters worse for those on the right side of history, the United Methodist Church owns all the land and buildings.  That's great if you want to avoid members from loving their local pastor more than the Church itself, but not so great when the Church wants to ban your gay preacher.  Sure, individual Methodists can leave and find a church more inline with their thinking, but that's just donating all your previous investments to bigots.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Apparently this was done by African and Asian UMCs over the objections from most of the western delegates.  To make matters worse for those on the right side of history, the United Methodist Church owns all the land and buildings.  That's great if you want to avoid members from loving their local pastor more than the Church itself, but not so great when the Church wants to ban your gay preacher.  Sure, individual Methodists can leave and find a church more inline with their thinking, but that's just donating all your previous investments to bigots.

Actually, they did pass resolutions that basically allows for churches to leave relatively amicably with their buildings, but they have to agree to help out with existing pension commitments. The UMC is wanting to avoid the money-grubbing spectacle of holding church properties hostage. Ironically, the resolutions were originally put forward by proponents of the One Church Plan so as to make easier for traditionalists to leave once One Church was approved. Still, the Methodists won't be fighting over who owns the buildings except in churches evenly split.

[dead0man]

Oh, well, that's good news.  A split seems the way to go then.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Oh, well, that's good news.  A split seems the way to go then.

Yeah, this seems fair for what it is, although (as an alumnus of a very much liberal-leaning UMC-affiliated seminary) I'm sort of wondering how it applies to Methodist universities.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Oh, well, that's good news.  A split seems the way to go then.

Yeah, this seems fair for what it is, although (as an alumnus of a very much liberal-leaning UMC-affiliated seminary) I'm sort of wondering how it applies to Methodist universities.

Same. Good question.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Apparently this was done by African and Asian UMCs over the objections from most of the western delegates.  To make matters worse for those on the right side of history, the United Methodist Church owns all the land and buildings.  That's great if you want to avoid members from loving their local pastor more than the Church itself, but not so great when the Church wants to ban your gay preacher.  Sure, individual Methodists can leave and find a church more inline with their thinking, but that's just donating all your previous investments to bigots.

The conservatives are on the right side of history on this.