DNC software breach gave Sanders campaign confidential Clinton Data

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Wow. Let's hope he does the honorable thing and drops out after this. Truly shameful and disgusting.

Lief:

Trump announces outright ban on muslims: Hallelujah! What a great leader!

Low-level, likely dim-witted Sanders Staffer clicks something they're not supposed to and is quickly fired - Shameful, disgusting, Sanders needs to drop out now!

Do not defame me or tell mistruths about me. I have never once voiced support for Trump's Muslim ban. I expect an apology.

You deserve no apology.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Also this was a staffer and he was fired so i doubt this will hurt Sanders. (even though DWS will try)

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Based on what has been written the poor staffer was accessing the Sanders campaign data when he suddenly had access to the Clinton campaign data. The staffer then contacted the vendor to tell them there was an error. For his good work in reporting the error which was in no way their fault they got fired. Seems rather unfair, especially if this is an ongoing issue with the data and its access.

There might be more to it like evidence that the staffer saved all of the data before reporting its access, or maybe the staffer was deliberately trying to access Clinton campaign data and managed too on this occasion.

And I am not sure it is possible to prove you have deleted data completely.

No good deed goes unpunished. And it's awfully convenient that the campaign that reported the problem gets punished while the DNC's chosen candidate still has access, and likely could have accessed Bernie's files, but never reported it.

The DNC has done enough sh**t to Bernie, he needs to start threatening to run as an independent if they don't treat him with some minimal respect.

You're getting flustered over something that you made up in your mind. You don't know whether the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders' data so don't get all worked up thinking about the possibility that they might have. It makes you seem childish.

Clinton has always had the establishment in her back pocket. They know Sanders is no good news for them even though he has just reached 2 million in single donations which is beating Obama's record...but shhhh hes a socialist shhh...

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Clinton has always had the establishment in her back pocket.

Well, to be fair she has the advantage of being a Democrat, unlike Sanders.

Sanders has caucused with the Democrats and is running in the Democratic primary...I doubt that is the reason.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Based on what has been written the poor staffer was accessing the Sanders campaign data when he suddenly had access to the Clinton campaign data. The staffer then contacted the vendor to tell them there was an error. For his good work in reporting the error which was in no way their fault they got fired. Seems rather unfair, especially if this is an ongoing issue with the data and its access.

There might be more to it like evidence that the staffer saved all of the data before reporting its access, or maybe the staffer was deliberately trying to access Clinton campaign data and managed too on this occasion.

And I am not sure it is possible to prove you have deleted data completely.

No good deed goes unpunished. And it's awfully convenient that the campaign that reported the problem gets punished while the DNC's chosen candidate still has access, and likely could have accessed Bernie's files, but never reported it.

The DNC has done enough sh**t to Bernie, he needs to start threatening to run as an independent if they don't treat him with some minimal respect.

You're getting flustered over something that you made up in your mind. You don't know whether the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders' data so don't get all worked up thinking about the possibility that they might have. It makes you seem childish.

Clinton has always had the establishment in her back pocket. They know Sanders is no good news for them even though he has just reached 2 million in single donations which is beating Obama's record...but shhhh hes a socialist shhh...

Nothing in this post is pertinent to what I just said or anything else in this thread.

Jfern makes a good point...I doubt the DNC would be so hasty to punish the Clinton camp for the same story.

It doesn't really matter much, since Bernie Sanders is not going to win the nomination anyway.

Obvious hack is obvious.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Also this was a staffer and he was fired so i doubt this will hurt Sanders. (even though DWS will try)

SCANDAL AS WORKER'S ALLY SANDERS FIRES LOW LEVEL EMPLOYEE!!

also lmao all round: at the DNC, at jfern furiously spinning, at this "scandal". lol

You dont think DWS is solidily on clintons side? Anywho non news since it was a few month ago.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

This could actually backfire...lots of people are noticing that this is almost a witch hunt against Sanders.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Honestly guys, stop engaging. Sanders' campaign stole voter data but they're the victims, their supporters are now fired up and they'll be getting more campaign donations as a result.

Sanders has finally found out the way to succeed in America: break the rules and play the victim.

He knows when the DNC has gone to far and now and has taken advantage of that (which is smart politics). Dumb move by the DNC if they left this alone none of this would be blowing up.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

It's hard for me to blame the DNC when the Sanders campaign has spent the past 24 hours making repeated false statements to the press.

Which claims would be the false ones? Also the DNC has been doing some of their own dirty tricks when the DNC chair has wanted Clinton president for years now.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Honestly guys, stop engaging. Sanders' campaign stole voter data but they're the victims, their supporters are now fired up and they'll be getting more campaign donations as a result.

Sanders has finally found out the way to succeed in America: break the rules and play the victim.

He knows when the DNC has gone to far and now and has taken advantage of that (which is smart politics). Dumb move by the DNC if they left this alone none of this would be blowing up.

Yeah the DNC should have just let it go and allowed the Sanders campaign senior staffers to blatantly steal millions of dollars worth of data from the Clinton campaign! Really dumb of them to not just turn a blind eye to that!

They were notified about this months now stop with the lies, but then again you do support Trump.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Progressive Canadian, I can appreciate that you like Sanders and such, but the version of events you are trying to sell isn't even close to reality. I urge you to go to the Bloomberg article on the breach and read what actually happened.

Bloomberg is in the pocket of the Clintons.

Lol its like reading an article from hillary herself no im not going to trust bloomberg.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

The hilldogs on here are pretty horrible...if you like the status quo with all the corrupt politicians go for Hillary.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

This is no reason to ban access to the politicians own data....the DNC has gone too far and knows it has.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

The problem with answering your question is that the Sanders folk have spent most of this thread claiming that the Sanders campaign has done absolutely nothing wrong.

One person did something wrong and was fired for that, no problem...it became an issue when DWS put out her outrageous comment towards the Sanders campaign and showed her true colors.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

The problem with answering your question is that the Sanders folk have spent most of this thread claiming that the Sanders campaign has done absolutely nothing wrong.

One person did something wrong and was fired for that, no problem...it became an issue when DWS put out her outrageous comment towards the Sanders campaign and showed her true colors.

I've now heard claims that four usernames were involved, so why were we thinking it's only one guy?

Look, even if you think that the DNC is being punitive here (totally possible), I'll repeat my question: how else do you enforce terms of agreement for access to a data platform, besides revoking that access and/or publicly embarrassing those responsible?

Putting aside that the DNC may have have it out for Sanders (totally true), this isn't far from how you'd expect a bureaucracy to respond when: 1) someone has compromised the integrity of the most valuable asset they have as an organization; and, 2) they have no other leverage besides talking that asset away and calling out the person who compromised it.

What about that do you disagree with?

I agree with if you thought there was a breach you would suspend both campaigns access but they only did Sanders so it shows the democratic voters how bias the chair is (Recently with the debates/forums on weekends and Fridays) and they are playing with fire...this debate on Saturday is now very important and could be pivotal.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

"The staffer" = Sanders campaign National Data Director.  This part keeps getting deliberately forgotten.

He got fired so what point are you even making?

[ProgressiveCanadian]

To even take one campaigns own data away from them is insane.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Please Bernie supporters have been waiting a chance to ditch the democrat party, and Clinton. As sad as it is I've probably got more loyalty to the party than the Sanders supporters I've spoken to.

If you're not gonna vote Hillary, that's fine. Just stop being so self righteous about it. This is just like Green Party supporters in the UK election

Obviously no defense of their actions...your side is wrong on this and as i have seen most Americans are.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

"The staffer" = Sanders campaign National Data Director.  This part keeps getting deliberately forgotten.

He got fired so what point are you even making?

The shifting narrative coming from the Sanders spin zone.  Earlier today he was merely a low-level staffer.

Not to mention that somehow we've landed on it being only one guy because only one guy got fired.  I'm not sure where the "he was using all four usernames himself!!" came from.

This is a sad attack in desperate times...its called politics get used to it. He got fired end of discussion.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

To even take one campaigns own data away from them is insane.

I agree, the theft of Clinton's proprietary data by the Sanders campaign is insane and should be punished accordingly.

LOL it was the own data bases fault for the firewall to go down. Also i was obviously pointing out the DNC's action in taking away bernies own data. Plus they now have given the access back so they know they are wrong.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

"The staffer" = Sanders campaign National Data Director.  This part keeps getting deliberately forgotten.

He got fired so what point are you even making?

The shifting narrative coming from the Sanders spin zone.  Earlier today he was merely a low-level staffer.

Not to mention that somehow we've landed on it being only one guy because only one guy got fired.  I'm not sure where the "he was using all four usernames himself!!" came from.

This is a sad attack in desperate times...its called politics get used to it. He got fired end of discussion.

LOL, you are even worse at this "spin" thing than Jfern is.

Should bernies own data be taken away? You are saying you agree?

[ProgressiveCanadian]

This is a sad attack in desperate times...

I completely agree.  And I fear it's only going to get worse as Sanders slips even further behind.

Just wait until tomorrows debate.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

This is a sad attack in desperate times...

I completely agree.  And I fear it's only going to get worse as Sanders slips even further behind.

Just wait until tomorrows debate.

It's actually today's debate at this point.

First thing you are correct about this entire thread.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

The contract is in the lawsuit.

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001

Thanks.  You appear to be completely right that there is no clause that addresses improper access or distribution of data, beyond that third-party vendors must contract with the DNC.  The ten-day requirement to resolve a breach also seems clear.  I don't know if there's any standard of law that allows for service terminations in the case of illegal activity, or whether downloading improperly insecure data counts as illegal.  However, it doesn't seem like anyone who reads this ToS would infer that what the staffer did would result in instant termination of the contract.

The staffer was immediately fired and they said his behavior was unacceptable.

Right, which all else being equal should mitigate any punitive action, but you haven't really directly tackled my question.  A high-level staffer knowingly accessed and attempted to retain third-party data that was accidentally left insecure because of vendor error.  The DNC's data is their most valuable asset, and their leverage is minimal (partially because that contract seems dumb to my layman's reading).  It may be that the staffer's swift firing should be sufficient -- I probably agree -- but it's not like a punitive response to a data breach like this is insane.

Also note discussion of a prior incident involving the Hillary campaign that had no discipline.

Again, worth discussing, but I don't think hypocrisy is an affirmative defense.

He got fired so what point are you even making?

To even take one campaigns own data away from them is insane.

I've responded to these points.  It's kind of weird to go "what point are you making considering x?!  It's clear that y!" while ignoring a post that considers x and disputes y.

LOL it was the own data bases fault for the firewall to go down. Also i was obviously pointing out the DNC's action in taking away bernies own data.

Wait, are you saying that the Sanders campaign holds no responsibility for improperly accessing Clinton campaign data stored on the DNC's vendor's platform, because it's Clinton's fault for signing up to use the DNC's vendor's platform when the DNC's vendor's turned out to be insecure?  That's a bizarre ethical argument, and it also ignores that the Clinton campaign clearly has a potential claim for damage from the DNC's vendor, since the contract states that the vendor will follow industry best-practice standards for data security...and also kind of silly, since the Sanders campaign readily agreed to use the same vendor platform.

Plus they now have given the access back so they know they are wrong.

oh come on, you know that's not how political decisionmaking works.  You were complaining earlier that it isn't how the DNC's decisionmaking works.  Why is it a sign of corrupting and folding to pressure when they do something you dislike, and a recognition of moral virtue when they do something you do like?

The Sanders campaign was going through their own data when all of a sudden the firewall went down and got access to Clintons...but nope of course you are right only Sanders is to blame lol.