IA/NH - NBC/WSJ/Marist: Sanders strongly outperforms Clinton against GOP

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Sanders outperforms Clinton in general-election matchups

The NBC/WSJ/Marist polls also show that Sanders outperforms Clinton in hypothetical general-election matchups in these two presidential battleground states - something other surveys have found, too.

In Iowa:

Clinton leads Trump by eight points among registered voters (48 percent to 40 percent), but Sanders is ahead of him by 13 (51 percent to 38 percent);

Cruz tops Clinton by four points (47 percent to 43 percent), but Sanders beats him by five (47 percent to 42 percent);

And up Rubio is up by five points over Clinton (47 percent to 42 percent), while he's tied with Sanders (44 percent to 44 percent).

In New Hampshire:

Clinton is ahead of Trump by just one point (45 percent to 44 percent), but Sanders tops him by 19 points (56 percent to 37 percent);

Cruz beats Clinton by four points (48 percent to 44 percent), but Sanders leads him by another 19 points (55 percent to 36 percent);

And Rubio bests Clinton by 12 points (52 percent to 40 percent), while Sanders leads him by nine points (50 percent to 41 percent).

The primary reason why Sanders tests better in these general-election matchups is due to his stronger performance with independent voters.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-neck-neck-2016-races-iowa-new-hampshire-n493361

[Tender Branson]

So much to the electability argument.

Hillary is a walking trainwreck.

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Interesting also that PPP and Marist both have Sanders leading Trump by about 20% in NH.

But there's a huge gap between the 2 pollsters with Hillary: PPP has her ahead by 14, Marist only by 1.

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Did they forget to poll women voters in NH?

No, they polled them.

But the fact is: Hillary sucks.

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Did they forget to poll women voters in NH?

No, they polled them.

But the fact is: Hillary sucks.

I believe the IA numbers (they're probably even too generous towards Clinton), but no way that those NH numbers are true. Barbara Mikulski and Johnny Isakson winning the "hottest Senators ever" award is more likely than Rubio winning NH by 12 points.

Yeah, this looks off - but it only shows Hillary's tremendous weakness among Independents - which NH is full of (50% of GE voters).

Also, we are now having a pattern: Sanders polls much better than Hillary in states where he has a name recognition like Hillary, near 100%.

Hillary would make a winnable race unnecessarily close and turning it into a 2000-like fiasco and trust me, you don't want that to happen again. The US is still too incompetent in handling close elections, even 16 years later. Bernie OTOH would beat the GOP in a landslide ...

[Tender Branson]

Did they forget to poll women voters in NH?

No, they polled them.

But the fact is: Hillary sucks.

I believe the IA numbers (they're probably even too generous towards Clinton), but no way that those NH numbers are true. Barbara Mikulski and Johnny Isakson winning the "hottest Senators ever" award is more likely than Rubio winning NH by 12 points.

Yeah, this looks off - but it only shows Hillary's tremendous weakness among Independents - which NH is full of (50% of GE voters).

Also, we are now having a pattern: Sanders polls much better than Hillary in states where he has a name recognition like Hillary, near 100%.

Hillary would make a winnable race unnecessarily close and turning it into a 2000-like fiasco and trust me, you don't want that to happen again. The US is still too incompetent in handling close elections, even 16 years later. Bernie OTOH would beat the GOP in a landslide ...

You're right that Hillarys problem is independents hate her. Also, Bernie Sanders has the outsider appeal of Donald Trump without the racial, religious, or sex based polarization.

Besides, Bernie would present himself as a high-energy alternative and man for the working people, especially against Martin Shkreli-like locust capitalist Trump. He would crush him like a bug.

Whereas with Hillary you get a disaster of a candidate, who stands for nothing really ... and with her, Democrats would be heading for the abyss with eyes wide open.