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« Reply #100 on: February 10, 2016, 05:57:27 am »

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I can change the wording, the number (i.e. it could be three-fourths, simple majority, or whatever--but I think two thirds is the sweet spot), or what houses (i.e. it could be just the Senate if you want). But the point is that it needs to have some Senate oversight.

To any skeptics who use this line of attack, this will NOT rob the Presidency of relevance. Why would I want to hurt the office of the Presidency, guys? It's simply a break-glass-if-needed measure.

Here's the thread we had six months ago when I first introduced an amendment like this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=217360.0

It should be a good resource to get the key talking points out of the way, although I hope we'll come to a different conclusion.

I'll just repost the key nugget of the debate:

With such a large majority required it would only be used when the president is ineffective (inactive, going crazy, etc). I approve of this restraint on the executive.
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« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2016, 07:54:40 pm »

Delegates have 24 hours to object to Leinad's amendment.

For reference, the new Congress will consist of a 6-member Senate and a 9-member House, so a 2/3 would require the assent of 4 senators and 6 representatives.
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« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2016, 08:29:50 pm »

Delegates have 24 hours to object to Leinad's amendment.

24 hours from when I introduced it to when you announced the start of the 24 hours?
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« Reply #103 on: February 10, 2016, 11:56:22 pm »
« Edited: February 10, 2016, 11:58:01 pm by Senator Truman »

Delegates have 24 hours to object to Leinad's amendment.

24 hours from when I introduced it to when you announced the start of the 24 hours?
The custom of the Senate is to begin the 24 hours when the Speaker acknowledges the amendment. In lieu of a firm dictate in the Rules of Order, we'll abide by that precedent.

EDIT: So, the latter.
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« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2016, 07:19:11 pm »

I want to object as a matter of principle, but I won't for fear of slowing down the ConCon and recognizing that it would be unlikely that such a scenario would occur.
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« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2016, 07:58:24 pm »

Seeing no objection, Leinad's amendment has been adopted.

Are there any other amendments?
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« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2016, 03:19:35 pm »

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I just realized that the Legislative Article does not use the term "Houses of Congress" to describe the national legislature; therefore, this changes the text of Leinad's amendment to explicitly name the Senate and the HoR (both for the sake of consistency and to eliminate any possible loopholes). It does not alter the effect of this clause.

Delegates have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2016, 03:32:08 pm »

Also, I should note that I will likely call a final vote on this Article around the middle of next week if there is no further debate in this thread. If you have any changes you want to see made, say so immediately - I will not be sympathetic towards delegates who remain silent during debate and then complain when we move to a vote because 'pet issue X' hasn't been considered yet".
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« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2016, 10:16:05 pm »

I have no objections in moving toward a final vote.
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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2016, 03:18:59 pm »

I have no objections in moving toward a final vote.
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2016, 04:10:18 pm »

Seeing no objection, Truman's Amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #111 on: February 16, 2016, 07:05:18 pm »

Seeing no further debate, I motion for a final vote on this Article. Delegates have 24 Hours to object.
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« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2016, 10:28:37 am »

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« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2016, 07:59:43 pm »

Seeing no objection, a FINAL VOTE is now open on this Article. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

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« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2016, 08:16:12 pm »

AYE
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« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2016, 08:33:02 pm »

AYE
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« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2016, 08:35:00 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2016, 08:49:44 pm »

Aye.
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« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2016, 09:12:12 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2016, 09:42:51 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2016, 10:16:24 pm »

AYE!
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« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2016, 10:20:00 pm »

AYE!
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« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2016, 11:49:17 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #123 on: February 18, 2016, 12:04:51 am »

Aye
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« Reply #124 on: February 18, 2016, 12:26:36 am »

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