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Donald Trump
 
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Ted Cruz
 
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Rand Paul
 
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Gary Johnson
 
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Other (please specify)
 
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Not a libertarian but would like to vote anyways
 
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2016, 07:53:21 PM »

Sort of a libertarian neocon with some socially conservative views, so I voted.

I picked "Other" because I support Rubio, but out of these, Cruz, followed by Paul and then Johnson.

libertarian neocon....those things are kind of mutually exclusive...
How so? I'm a libertarian at home and a neocon abroad because both support freedom and democracy.

Sure, but the thing that is supposed to unify most libertarians is at least a vague/moderate interpretation of the non-aggression principle. Neoconservatism sometimes supports overthrowing democracies and planting military all over the world and keeping them there until deemed 'safe'. Nothing about that is libertarian or non-aggressive. I'm a moderate myself, and very much think libertarians have to accept the moderates and all forms of libertarians, but I would say you have to at least be skeptical of interventionist foreign policy to be considered one, otherwise its not consistent.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2016, 07:54:14 PM »

None of the people given as choices are libertarians.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2016, 07:54:51 PM »

Sort of a libertarian neocon with some socially conservative views, so I voted.

I picked "Other" because I support Rubio, but out of these, Cruz, followed by Paul and then Johnson.

libertarian neocon....those things are kind of mutually exclusive...
How so? I'm a libertarian at home and a neocon abroad because both support freedom and democracy.
Neocons are fairly socially liberal.
Yep. I'm opposed to the death penalty, support greater immigration, and think that gay marriage should be legal, so that makes me fairly socially liberal for a Republican.
Yea same on the first 2 issues but I still consider myself relatively socially conservative with other issues involved like states rights, abortion, drugs, anti discrimination provisions.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2016, 07:55:42 PM »

None of the people given as choices are libertarians.

>mfw Gary Johnson not libertarian
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2016, 07:56:38 PM »

I just realized -- there's no option for statesman, author, and poet D.W. Perry! #junkpoll
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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2016, 07:57:27 PM »

None of the people given as choices are libertarians.

>mfw Gary Johnson not libertarian
lol you think that a man who wants freedom only for slave owners is a libertarian.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2016, 07:59:37 PM »

None of the people given as choices are libertarians.

>mfw Gary Johnson not libertarian
lol you think that a man who wants freedom only for slave owners is a libertarian.

Lol ok, since you are an expert on libertarianism, give me a "real" libertarian then?
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2016, 08:01:25 PM »

lol you think that a man who wants freedom only for slave owners is a libertarian.

lol anarchists
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2016, 08:05:24 PM »

None of the people given as choices are libertarians.

>mfw Gary Johnson not libertarian
lol you think that a man who wants freedom only for slave owners is a libertarian.

Lol ok, since you are an expert on libertarianism, give me a "real" libertarian then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenaventura_Durruti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Berkman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon
and kinda close enough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
etc...

Organizations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabat (Long defunct but whatever)
etc...
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2016, 08:09:15 PM »

Those are all anarchists.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2016, 08:09:55 PM »

And the difference is?
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2016, 08:12:15 PM »

Anarcho-communism isn't libertarian. Libertarianism supports the minimal presence of a state as well as a capitalist economic system.
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2016, 08:12:17 PM »


Anarchists want to bring down the government and social structure. Libertarians want a constitution and government and social structure to protect personal and economic liberties.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2016, 08:15:05 PM »


Anarchists want to bring down the government and social structure. Libertarians want a constitution and government and social structure to protect personal and economic liberties.
lol read a book
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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2016, 08:16:30 PM »


Anarchists want to bring down the government and social structure. Libertarians want a constitution and government and social structure to protect personal and economic liberties.
lol read a book

What book?
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« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2016, 08:18:11 PM »

I just realized -- there's no option for statesman, author, and poet D.W. Perry! #junkpoll

Also no John McAfee.
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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2016, 08:19:44 PM »


Anarchists want to bring down the government and social structure. Libertarians want a constitution and government and social structure to protect personal and economic liberties.
lol read a book

What book?
Well if you actually want to:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/property/
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2016, 08:21:23 PM »

Johnson

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2016, 08:21:31 PM »

Left-libertarian, right libertarian, I don't give a damn.  The only GOOD libertarian is a DEAD one!
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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2016, 08:24:14 PM »

Left-libertarian, right libertarian, I don't give a damn.  The only GOOD libertarian is a DEAD one!

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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2016, 08:37:12 PM »

He's more likely to win and less isolationist.
Sure, but the thing that is supposed to unify most libertarians is at least a vague/moderate interpretation of the non-aggression principle. Neoconservatism sometimes supports overthrowing democracies and planting military all over the world and keeping them there until deemed 'safe'. Nothing about that is libertarian or non-aggressive. I'm a moderate myself, and very much think libertarians have to accept the moderates and all forms of libertarians, but I would say you have to at least be skeptical of interventionist foreign policy to be considered one, otherwise its not consistent.
That's not neoconservatism. That's realpolitik. Neoconservatism always supports democracy, and is an inherently idealistic ideology.
Yea same on the first 2 issues but I still consider myself relatively socially conservative with other issues involved like states rights, abortion, drugs, anti discrimination provisions.
Overall, I'm socially conservative, but relative to the Republican Party, I'm somewhat liberal.
Left-libertariancommunist, right libertariancommunist, I don't give a damn.  The only GOOD libertariancommunist is a DEAD one!
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2016, 08:38:38 PM »

He's more likely to win and less isolationist.
Sure, but the thing that is supposed to unify most libertarians is at least a vague/moderate interpretation of the non-aggression principle. Neoconservatism sometimes supports overthrowing democracies and planting military all over the world and keeping them there until deemed 'safe'. Nothing about that is libertarian or non-aggressive. I'm a moderate myself, and very much think libertarians have to accept the moderates and all forms of libertarians, but I would say you have to at least be skeptical of interventionist foreign policy to be considered one, otherwise its not consistent.
That's not neoconservatism. That's realpolitik. Neoconservatism always supports democracy, and is an inherently idealistic ideology.
Yea same on the first 2 issues but I still consider myself relatively socially conservative with other issues involved like states rights, abortion, drugs, anti discrimination provisions.
Overall, I'm socially conservative, but relative to the Republican Party, I'm somewhat liberal.
Left-libertariancommunist, right libertariancommunist, I don't give a damn.  The only GOOD libertariancommunist is a DEAD one!
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The fyck is a right communist?
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2016, 08:45:21 PM »

Don't know. Just did it to troll d32123.
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2016, 08:47:38 PM »

lol supes you will be spared since you're not a real libertarian anyway Wink
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2016, 08:56:42 PM »


Max Shachtman, or there's always that Carlist-Maoist party in Spain.
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