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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2005, 07:25:32 PM »

Harding was a terrible person. He had numerous affairs, an alleged daugter with mistress Ann Briton (as stated in the book "Forgotten Children"), but he was a good President for the most part.

He wrote the first Executive buddget that was given to Congress. He spoke in favor of balck voter rights in Baltimore and Alabama (the first Presidento to do so on Southern soil), and over saw the nation well. He made one mistake, and that was letting Albert B. Fall into his cabinet.

He had nothing to do with his scandals. If you want to argue he was lazy, that could be argued very well, but for doing the job he was pretty good at it.
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2005, 07:36:30 PM »


Is there a reason to despise him?  All he did was sent into motion the liberation of millions.  I believe he was our greatest president. 

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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2005, 10:35:22 PM »

Harding was a terrible person. He had numerous affairs, an alleged daugter with mistress Ann Briton (as stated in the book "Forgotten Children"), but he was a good President for the most part.

He wrote the first Executive buddget that was given to Congress. He spoke in favor of balck voter rights in Baltimore and Alabama (the first Presidento to do so on Southern soil), and over saw the nation well. He made one mistake, and that was letting Albert B. Fall into his cabinet.

He had nothing to do with his scandals. If you want to argue he was lazy, that could be argued very well, but for doing the job he was pretty good at it.

There was a rumor after his death that his wife Florence killed him.


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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2005, 10:50:02 PM »

Harding was a terrible person. He had numerous affairs, an alleged daugter with mistress Ann Briton (as stated in the book "Forgotten Children"), but he was a good President for the most part.

He wrote the first Executive buddget that was given to Congress. He spoke in favor of balck voter rights in Baltimore and Alabama (the first Presidento to do so on Southern soil), and over saw the nation well. He made one mistake, and that was letting Albert B. Fall into his cabinet.

He had nothing to do with his scandals. If you want to argue he was lazy, that could be argued very well, but for doing the job he was pretty good at it.

There was a rumor after his death that his wife Florence killed him.

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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2005, 11:30:49 PM »

Harding was a terrible person. He had numerous affairs, an alleged daugter with mistress Ann Briton (as stated in the book "Forgotten Children"), but he was a good President for the most part.

He wrote the first Executive buddget that was given to Congress. He spoke in favor of balck voter rights in Baltimore and Alabama (the first Presidento to do so on Southern soil), and over saw the nation well. He made one mistake, and that was letting Albert B. Fall into his cabinet.

He had nothing to do with his scandals. If you want to argue he was lazy, that could be argued very well, but for doing the job he was pretty good at it.

There was a rumor after his death that his wife Florence killed him.

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He contracted pneumonia from a severe case of food poisoning and then died later of either a heart attack or a stroke.  His wife refused an autopsy, which led many to believe that she had some role in his death.  This probably isn't true though.
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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2005, 03:56:44 AM »

The best thing Harding did was to sign the naval arms limitations treaty, which was the only thing of its kind for a decade! But then again, was Grant's presidency a good presidency? He wasn't personally corrupt either, but like Harding he took the spoil system to extremes and wasn't able to do much about it.
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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2005, 12:02:51 PM »

Good to see that people aren't letting their rabid partisanship or geographic loyalties dul their wits.   Anyway, there are some people who you can't change people's minds about, so I won't try, I'll just make a few quick comments about the some people who have been mentioned who I believe I can change peoples perspectives on a bit.

John Adams:  This is the one that I understand the least.  Adams was a good, hard-working, loyal man.  Without his leadership during the Continental Congress, we probably wouldn't have a country today, because he was the only non-fanatical voice who was constantly pushing others to go for independence and keep up the fight.  As much as he hated it, he never missed a single day of work as Vice-President, most VP's aren't even in town half the time.  He didn't start his feud with Jefferson, in fact, when he was elected President, he proposed a kind of co-Presidency with Jefferson, where Jefferson would be chiefly responsable for the foriegn policy and some other things and he would handle the day-to-day opperations of the government.  Jefferson, not Adams, chose politics over friendship.  So then we come to the Alien and Sedition Acts, which is probably the primary reason most people put him down.  First off, the Federal Government did have many real enemies back then.  Living in the here and now, we don't understand that, at the time, their were people who were seriously talking about slicing the President's head off, just as they had done to Louis XVI and most of this talk was being stired up by Jefferson who had muckrakers on the government payroll attacking Adams.  Not only that, but all the Federalists were slavishly loyal to Hamilton and even Adams' own cabinet paid him little heed.

John Q. Adams:  Since most people put him down because of his relationship with his father, it isn't worth commenting.

Ulysses Grant:  True that a number of scandals happened while Grant was President, but he was not involved in any of them.  He was a terrible President, but he was not a bad man.  He was very humble and had a heart-felt concern for the country.  He was just easiliy duped by the people he was supposed to be able to trust.  As for casulties that occured during the war, do you think he liked his men dying!?  No, in fact, on several occations, he wept when casualty reports came back.  He, unlike all the other Federal commanders, had the moral courage to keep pressing until the war was ended.  That was the only way it ever was going to end.

Anyway, I could go on, but just because you don't like the actions that someone takes as President does not mean that they are/were bad people.  Only a small number of people who sat in the President's chair in our countries history were truely bad people (Jackson heads that list).  They were perfect people, they made mistakes as Presidents, but they were horrible or evil.
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« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2005, 12:15:19 PM »

John Adams is on for the sedition acts. Yes, despite the disreputable way he became President, John Quincy Adams was a much better President.
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« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2005, 12:25:22 PM »

So then we come to the Alien and Sedition Acts, which is probably the primary reason most people put him down.  First off, the Federal Government did have many real enemies back then.  Living in the here and now, we don't understand that, at the time, their were people who were seriously talking about slicing the President's head off, just as they had done to Louis XVI and most of this talk was being stired up by Jefferson who had muckrakers on the government payroll attacking Adams.  Not only that, but all the Federalists were slavishly loyal to Hamilton and even Adams' own cabinet paid him little heed.


We were also on the verge of going to war with France at the time due to heightened French piracy on the high seas.  The French were retaliating because of Jay's Treaty, which they thought had come to symbolize an alliance between the British and us.  After the disastrous XYZ Affair, in which the French demanded a huge sum of money and a formal apology from Adams before even agreeing to meet with American diplomats, Federalists and Adams supporters demanded war.  That was the real reason the Acts were passed, to silence French sympathizers like the Democratic-Republicans and to discover any enemy "aliens" within the US.  In some ways it was the Partriot Act of its day.
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« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2005, 05:16:29 PM »

So then we come to the Alien and Sedition Acts, which is probably the primary reason most people put him down.  First off, the Federal Government did have many real enemies back then.  Living in the here and now, we don't understand that, at the time, their were people who were seriously talking about slicing the President's head off, just as they had done to Louis XVI and most of this talk was being stired up by Jefferson who had muckrakers on the government payroll attacking Adams.  Not only that, but all the Federalists were slavishly loyal to Hamilton and even Adams' own cabinet paid him little heed.


We were also on the verge of going to war with France at the time due to heightened French piracy on the high seas.  The French were retaliating because of Jay's Treaty, which they thought had come to symbolize an alliance between the British and us.  After the disastrous XYZ Affair, in which the French demanded a huge sum of money and a formal apology from Adams before even agreeing to meet with American diplomats, Federalists and Adams supporters demanded war.  That was the real reason the Acts were passed, to silence French sympathizers like the Democratic-Republicans and to discover any enemy "aliens" within the US.  In some ways it was the Partriot Act of its day.

Yes, that was the direct cause, but there were people in the government, Jefferson being the highest up, who were seriously trying to undermine the government.  Not to mention that top Democrats, Madison, for example, were acctually confereing with French spies at the time.
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