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Question: Is it fair that Puerto Rico/other random islands get delegates?
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No. They aren't worth anything in the GE, why should they be here?
 
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Yes, but they should be worth less than they are now.
 
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Yes, and they should be worth MORE delegates!!
 
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« on: March 06, 2016, 07:04:04 PM »

So this weekend Rubio won't be THAT far behind what Trump and Cruz get in delegates, thanks to Puerto Rico. It seems all these random islands add up to a decent amount of delegates. Is this fair? PR was 23 delegates, as much as Maine so Rubio won more from his win in PR, an island that is worthless in the GE than Cruz did in Maine
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 07:05:08 PM »

Uh, yes, these people are Americans too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 07:05:24 PM »

Uh, yes, these people are Americans too.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2016, 07:06:01 PM »

Yes but I also think they should get to vote in general elections.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2016, 07:06:54 PM »

Yes, and they should be a state.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2016, 07:13:15 PM »

Yes but I also think they should get to vote in general elections.

RIP Republicans if that were the case.

Normally we admit States as an ideologically contrasting pair (I.E. Alaska and Hawaii, though there roles at the time were reversed), so if it got to that point, Guam would most likely be admitted as well, and they are currently solidly Republican.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 07:13:38 PM »

Since "Yes, keep it the way it is" wasn't an option, I selected the 3rd option.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2016, 07:14:34 PM »

Yes, and they should be able to vote in general elections.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2016, 07:26:07 PM »

Yes and they should be a state if they so choose to.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2016, 07:39:06 PM »

Yes but I also think they should get to vote in general elections.

RIP Republicans if that were the case.

Normally we admit States as an ideologically contrasting pair (I.E. Alaska and Hawaii, though there roles at the time were reversed), so if it got to that point, Guam would most likely be admitted as well, and they are currently solidly Republican.

Yes, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa could all be admitted as a group.  Puerto Rico would be Likely D but not impossible for a Hispanic-friendly R to carry, the U.S. Virgin Islands are majority black, so Safe D, Guam is heavily military and military-industrial complex, so Likely R, and American Samoa is majority Mormon, so Safe R.  However, Puerto Rico is about the size of CT and would get 5 CDs this decade, while the other 3 are all smaller than WY, so it would help Democrats in the electoral college and in the House (provided there's no concentrated local R strength in PR), but enhance the Republican tilt of the Senate.

///northern mariana islands
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2016, 07:41:47 PM »

Not unless they're allowed to vote in the GE too. One or the other.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2016, 07:43:02 PM »

No one should get delegates. The Trump family should just reign.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 09:07:25 PM »

Political parties can do whatever they want.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2016, 09:50:20 PM »

I don't understand why you would refer to these areas as "random."
They are not random. They are US Territories.

And yes, they should have a say, at least in the primaries.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2016, 09:52:49 PM »

Yes but I also think they should get to vote in general elections.

RIP Republicans if that were the case.

Normally we admit States as an ideologically contrasting pair (I.E. Alaska and Hawaii, though there roles at the time were reversed), so if it got to that point, Guam would most likely be admitted as well, and they are currently solidly Republican.

Yes, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa could all be admitted as a group.  Puerto Rico would be Likely D but not impossible for a Hispanic-friendly R to carry, the U.S. Virgin Islands are majority black, so Safe D, Guam is heavily military and military-industrial complex, so Likely R, and American Samoa is majority Mormon, so Safe R.  However, Puerto Rico is about the size of CT and would get 5 CDs this decade, while the other 3 are all smaller than WY, so it would help Democrats in the electoral college and in the House (provided there's no concentrated local R strength in PR), but enhance the Republican tilt of the Senate.

///northern mariana islands

Oops.  It appears to be heavily Republican and also less populous than WY, so admitting all 5 as states could be a decent deal for both Democrats and Republicans.  The former get several safe-ish EV and house seats out of PR, while the latter presumably get 6 of the 10 senate seats and are only down 10/9 in total EV.

Eh, I think they'd all probably end up swingy at best and quite possibly all solid D. The national parties have little influence in the territories, so I doubt recent election results indicate much about how they'd ultimately vote as states. The Democrats' broad success with almost all racial minorities and in Hawaii makes me suspect they'd probably vote D.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2016, 10:09:24 PM »

Puerto Rico is large enough to be it's own state.  The other 4 have such low populations though.  Maybe if they're all grouped together, they can be given 3 EVs like D.C. is.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2016, 10:10:51 PM »

I don't see the point since they can't vote in the general election.  It's nice to see them practice democracy though so having them worth less delegates is a good compromise.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2016, 10:13:20 PM »

No.  Puerto Rico shouldn't have any voting rights at all in American elections.  They should go back to being our colony.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2016, 10:34:33 PM »

Yes and I also think they should get to vote in general elections.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2016, 10:36:15 PM »

So this weekend Rubio won't be THAT far behind what Trump and Cruz get in delegates, thanks to Puerto Rico. It seems all these random islands add up to a decent amount of delegates. Is this fair? PR was 23 delegates, as much as Maine so Rubio won more from his win in PR, an island that is worthless in the GE than Cruz did in Maine
Um he will still have 1/2 the delegates of Cruz. He's out of the race basically unless he wins Florida, which is highly unlikely
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2016, 11:59:43 PM »

American Samoa, for the record, is not majority LDS the last time I checked.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2016, 02:18:17 AM »

Yes and they should be a state if they so choose to.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2016, 03:32:24 AM »

No. They should be subjugated to our electoral demands just like they are subject to all of our other demands.

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2016, 04:16:09 AM »

Yes and they should have a vote in GE.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2016, 07:47:03 AM »

No, but Puerto Rico should be admitted as a state.
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