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« Reply #350 on: November 20, 2016, 10:52:25 AM »


Even though Trump crushed their 2020 dreams by winning the election this year, Bevin and Cotton still showed up:

http://www.kcci.com/article/talk-of-2020-presidential-race-looms-at-governors-birthday-bash/8344231

Either:

1) They were being polite by not cancelling,
2) They're hedging their bets on Trump running again, or
3) It's never too early to start laying the groundwork for 2024.
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« Reply #351 on: November 20, 2016, 01:32:23 PM »

I posted a thread about Howard Dean saying that he currently favors Gillibrand for president in 2020.  But I figure that I should also post in this thread how her office responded:

http://www.registerstar.com/news/article_53afce3e-ade6-11e6-9e2d-770246b848ab.html

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« Reply #352 on: November 20, 2016, 06:10:35 PM »

That's a classic nondenial denial line. She's definitely going to consider it, but seems like someone that may defer to other candidates should certain ones get in.
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« Reply #353 on: November 21, 2016, 12:08:57 AM »

Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:




I would enthusiastically vote for any of these 3 potential candidates. If I had to choose one though I'd probably pick Harris
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« Reply #354 on: November 21, 2016, 01:23:31 AM »

Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:




I would enthusiastically vote for any of these 3 potential candidates. If I had to choose one though I'd probably pick Harris

All are absolute lightweights compared to Hillary Clinton, but I'd definitely support any of them over Donald Trump.
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« Reply #355 on: November 21, 2016, 01:58:58 AM »
« Edited: November 21, 2016, 02:01:24 AM by Dwarven Dragon »

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, an actor from California, is not ruling out a (quixotic) primary challenge to Trump:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-rock-running-for-president-2020
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/dwayne-johnson-on-running-for-president-i-wouldnt-rule-it-out/ar-AAkhCtg?li=AA2qN5v&ocid=spartanntp


Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

Some more whispering about Chris Murphy is within this long article (also mentions Julian Castro and some more obvious people): http://qz.com/836658/donald-trumps-age-how-baby-boomer-generation-x-and-millennial-presidents-would-change-the-course-of-america/

Get your Deblasio Buzz here: http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/clintons-loss-means-a-de-blasio-cuomo-2020-race/

Bustle.com: 7 Democrats who could run in 2020: https://www.bustle.com/articles/194585-7-democrats-who-could-run-for-president-in-2020-and-take-the-white-house-from-donald (Booker, Warren, (Sherrod) Brown, Gillibrand, Harris, Duckworth, (Tulsi) Gabbard)

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Third Party Stuff:

With Johnson ruling out another run for the libertarian nomination (http://krqe.com/blog/2016/11/09/gary-johnson-says-he-wont-run-for-president-again/), this article on Austin Petersen from September is worth another read: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-austin-petersen-is-the-future-of-the-libertarian-party/

Reminders:

Journalist Dan Rattiner (I) declared a 2020 candidacy in 2015: http://www.danspapers.com/2015/04/hat-in-the-ring-dan-rattiner-running-for-president-in-2020

Adam Kokesh (L) declared a 2020 candidacy in 2013: http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/07/adam-kokesh-to-run-for-president-in-2020/



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« Reply #356 on: November 21, 2016, 06:53:40 AM »

Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

A list that includes Michelle Obama, Hickenlooper, and O'Malley but not Sherrod Brown is a bad list
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« Reply #357 on: November 21, 2016, 07:05:21 AM »

Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

A list that includes Michelle Obama, Hickenlooper, and O'Malley but not Sherrod Brown is a bad list

Mother Jones has become a joke site establishment hack site.
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« Reply #358 on: November 21, 2016, 12:32:26 PM »

Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

Some more whispering about Chris Murphy is within this long article (also mentions Julian Castro and some more obvious people): http://qz.com/836658/donald-trumps-age-how-baby-boomer-generation-x-and-millennial-presidents-would-change-the-course-of-america/

Get your Deblasio Buzz here: http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/clintons-loss-means-a-de-blasio-cuomo-2020-race/

Bustle.com: 7 Democrats who could run in 2020: https://www.bustle.com/articles/194585-7-democrats-who-could-run-for-president-in-2020-and-take-the-white-house-from-donald (Booker, Warren, (Sherrod) Brown, Gillibrand, Harris, Duckworth, (Tulsi) Gabbard)

There are many such articles posting speculated lists of people who might run, but I haven’t posted them unless they have news content, like “Candidate X said Y, which is why we think they might run”.  I like to separate out the news on what the candidates themselves are saying and doing from who the news media is guessing about.  E.g., in the article you linked to with whispering about Chris Murphy, or the one about “de Blasio buzz”, it was just columnists speculating, not citing things like de Blasio’s visit to Iowa last year, or anything like that.

The stuff I post in this thread (aside from the fun pictures of Senators) is: what are the prospective candidates doing and saying, and/or what are people in their inner circle saying about their ambitions?  To the extent I discuss idle speculation like “What if so-and-so runs?” it’s about how the candidates respond to such speculation.  E.g., in my earlier post, I commented on Dean “endorsing” Gillibrand only to note how Gillibrand’s office responded.

Not trying to criticize here, just clarify.  I just don’t want people to see things like “whispering about Chris Murphy” and assume that it’s a story with some actual evidence that Chris Murphy might be thinking about it, when it’s just someone name checking Murphy in a long list of Senators in the right age range.
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« Reply #359 on: November 21, 2016, 07:38:42 PM »

Kanye West said that while he didn't vote, if he had, he would have voted for Trump. This probably lowers the odds of him running in 2020, assuming Trump runs for reelection: Kanye West: I didn't vote but if I did, 'I would have voted for Trump'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/entertainment/kanye-west-donald-trump-trnd/index.html
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« Reply #360 on: November 22, 2016, 10:10:25 AM »

Kanye West said that while he didn't vote, if he had, he would have voted for Trump. This probably lowers the odds of him running in 2020, assuming Trump runs for reelection: Kanye West: I didn't vote but if I did, 'I would have voted for Trump'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/entertainment/kanye-west-donald-trump-trnd/index.html

But... why didn't he vote?
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« Reply #361 on: November 22, 2016, 11:22:20 AM »

Politico has a story on how Warren is setting herself up as a leader of the loyal opposition to Trump:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/elizabeth-warren-democrats-liberals-231692

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« Reply #362 on: November 22, 2016, 08:46:30 PM »

Cory Booker is in for 2020. 
Heard him on NPR today he is already taking positions far to the left of where he was when he ran for Senate 2 yrs ago. 
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« Reply #363 on: November 22, 2016, 10:17:43 PM »

Cory Booker is in for 2020. 
Heard him on NPR today he is already taking positions far to the left of where he was when he ran for Senate 2 yrs ago. 

Which specific issues?
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« Reply #364 on: November 22, 2016, 11:14:13 PM »

Because she's dropped hints over the past few years indicating presidential ambition, I kind of figured that Klobuchar would run for reelection for her Senate seat in 2018, before running for prez in 2020.  However, it looks like some are speculating that she may run for governor instead:

http://www.startribune.com/last-election-barely-past-minnesota-s-next-governor-s-race-gets-going/402072125/

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« Reply #365 on: November 23, 2016, 09:02:29 AM »

Hmm, I don't see her running for President in 2020 if she's just starting a first term as Governor.
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« Reply #366 on: November 23, 2016, 09:12:12 AM »

Hmm, I don't see her running for President in 2020 if she's just starting a first term as Governor.

Yeah, she'd have to launch her presidential candidacy less than ~six months after being sworn in as governor.  I don't see it happening.

That said, all we really have here is rumors that she's interested in the governorship.  No idea if it's based on anything real.
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« Reply #367 on: November 23, 2016, 10:45:25 AM »
« Edited: November 23, 2016, 10:48:51 AM by Castro »

Greg Giroux ‏@greggiroux  45m45 minutes ago
Senator-elect @KamalaHarris (D-CA) has set up a leadership PAC: Fearless for the People PAC
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?_201611210300119592+0  #casen #capolitics



Doesn't necessarily mean much though.
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« Reply #368 on: November 23, 2016, 04:29:49 PM »

I doubt it, Warren will have trouble with minorities like Clinton. Warren also will have to pull in hispanics where she has little appeal. John Bel Edwards will do a pretty good job with Southern Democrats while still being able to win over minorities with a strong VP. Warren could do the same with Castro but the ticket would be awkward with opposing ideologys. Warren only wins in places where Democrats have an assured victory.
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« Reply #369 on: November 23, 2016, 05:13:44 PM »

The only person I could see winning in 2020 is Warren. She can unite the Sanders wing of the party as well as the traditional "professional" wing of the party. Add in Kamala Harris for minority support and you have a very strong ticket.

Corey Booker is a stiff and should just go away. He's basically a failed DLC type candidate



Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points, Harris by 8 points. He'd defeat Sanders by 3 points. Booker would win by 7 points..
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« Reply #370 on: November 23, 2016, 05:16:16 PM »

Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points,

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« Reply #371 on: November 23, 2016, 05:21:02 PM »

He'd beat her. Just take the zero away from Wulfric's number and it isn't that bad a post.
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« Reply #372 on: November 23, 2016, 06:37:02 PM »

He'd beat her. Just take the zero away from Wulfric's number and it isn't that bad a post.

If trends go in the other direction this time that could translate to a Warren victory in the electoral college.
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« Reply #373 on: November 23, 2016, 06:37:51 PM »

I doubt it, Warren will have trouble with minorities like Clinton. Warren also will have to pull in hispanics where she has little appeal. John Bel Edwards will do a pretty good job with Southern Democrats while still being able to win over minorities with a strong VP. Warren could do the same with Castro but the ticket would be awkward with opposing ideologys. Warren only wins in places where Democrats have an assured victory.

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« Reply #374 on: November 23, 2016, 07:22:05 PM »

I think Julian Castro would be the wise choice vs Trump. He is young, well spoken, and has a good record of job creation as mayor
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