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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2016, 01:09:23 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."

[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[   ] AYE     [  X  ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

*Should be 50 or 100 dollars instead of 20*

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[  X  ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2016, 01:36:48 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship prohibiting the free excersise thereof "
[ X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheldinfringed ."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[X]AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2016, 01:44:15 pm »


OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction.
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld infringed."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2016, 03:01:22 pm »
« Edited: April 03, 2016, 03:04:06 pm by pikachu »

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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2016, 09:10:25 am »

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] AYE     [X] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2016, 09:56:48 am »

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] AYE     [X] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2016, 10:11:12 am »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship "
[ X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
NAY

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[X] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[X]AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[] AYE     [  X ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2016, 10:17:10 am »

Scattered thoughts:

1. There's no need to use the archaic wording of the US constitution.

2. Surely we can all agree that the SECRET RIGHTS clause is fundamentally pointless and there's no reason to include it.

3. Whatever our position on guns, like, I think, with capital punishment or abortion or anything like that, we should recognise that this is a game for debating political issues without any real world consequences, so we should try and have as many things to argue about as possible. Arbitrarily closing something off for debate (which, given how hard it is to change the constitution, this does) is a bad idea. And if we must have a clause allowing people to carry guns surely we can improve of the truly atrocious and utterly ambiguous wording of the Founding Fathers.
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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2016, 12:33:29 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction.
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld infringed."
[  ] AYE     [X ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2016, 12:36:21 pm »

Scattered thoughts:

1. There's no need to use the archaic wording of the US constitution.

2. Surely we can all agree that the SECRET RIGHTS clause is fundamentally pointless and there's no reason to include it.

3. Whatever our position on guns, like, I think, with capital punishment or abortion or anything like that, we should recognise that this is a game for debating political issues without any real world consequences, so we should try and have as many things to argue about as possible. Arbitrarily closing something off for debate (which, given how hard it is to change the constitution, this does) is a bad idea. And if we must have a clause allowing people to carry guns surely we can improve of the truly atrocious and utterly ambiguous wording of the Founding Fathers.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Oh wait, it's broke...
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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2016, 03:46:13 pm »

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2016, 06:08:45 pm »

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
[ X ] AYE     [   ] NAY     [   ] Abstain
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« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2016, 07:24:17 pm »

RESULTS of the FIRST PRINCIPLE VOTE on the BILL OF RIGHTS
Number of Delegates Voting: 20

1. "All persons born or naturalized in the Republic of Atlasia, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Region in which they reside, and shall in all cases be afforded equal protection under the law."
PASSED without edits

2. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor withholding the freedom to peaceably assemble and to petition for the redress of grievances."
PASSED without edits

3. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
PASSED with edits

4. "The right of citizens of the Republic of Atlasia to vote shall not be denied, except in regards to persons whose account is fewer than 168 hours old, or in consequence of failing to meet such requirements for activity as may be established by law."
PASSED without edits

5. "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
PASSED without edits

6. "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
PASSED with edits

7. "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
PASSED with edits

8. "No citizen shall be subjected to warrantless search or seizure of the persons, homes, records, or possessions, and no warrants shall be issued without probable cause, supported by oath of affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
PASSED without edits

9. "No person accused of crimes under the laws of this Republic, or of the several Regions, shall be compelled to bear witness against himself, nor subjected to excessive bail, nor cruel or unusual punishment."
PASSED without edits

10. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of their peers in the Region wherein the crime shall have been committed, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense."
PASSED without edits

11. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the armed forces."
PASSED without edits

12. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the Republic of Atlasia."
PASSED without edits

13. "The enumeration of certain rights in this Constitution shall not be construed as to deny or disparage those natural rights and liberties herein unlisted."
PASSED without edits



Three proposals (numbers 3, 6, and 7) passed "with edits" - that is, at least one delegate who voted "AYE" proposed some alteration to the text. Therefore, we will proceed with a second principle vote between the edited and original versions momentarily.
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« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2016, 07:44:33 pm »

Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.


OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[   ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[   ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[   ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain


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« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2016, 07:50:00 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[   ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[   ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[ X ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain

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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2016, 07:54:30 pm »


OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[ X ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[   ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[ X ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[ X ] Abstain



Questions 1 and 3 are essentially semantics arguments - I personally think the original versions of both are clearer, but I'm not fussed. I do feel strongly that Option 2B is ill advised - were Atlasia to become involved in a major war, this would significantly hinder our ability to mobilize.
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« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2016, 08:07:02 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[   ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[ X ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[  ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain

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« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2016, 09:25:02 pm »

I just had another idea for an edit--adding a clause defining the death penalty as cruel and unusual punishment--although considering Bore's point that there aren't actually real-world consequences and it's a game fundamentally made for debating political issues, I suppose it's no big deal.



OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[   ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[   ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[ X ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain

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« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2016, 10:30:44 pm »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[ X ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[   ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[ X ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[ X ] Abstain
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« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2016, 10:43:27 pm »

Any society without a strong gun control policy is simply opening the door to violence, tragedy, and murder.

Shame on those who don't care about the safety of our people, and in particular shame on those who do not care about the safety of the most vulnerable in society.

By having a no holds barred policy on guns written into the constitution, this convention has done nothing less than to declare open season on the innocents.

Shame on you, shame, shame, shame.  
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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2016, 11:23:48 pm »



OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[   ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[ X ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[   ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[ X ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain

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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2016, 01:42:02 am »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[ X ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[  ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[  X  ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[  ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ X ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain



First Question: I went with the stronger of the two restrictions here, because the weaker one leaves too much wiggle room for the gov't to mess with religion

Second sequestion: Oh the days of 2010 and going round and round with Libertas and then 2011 with Napoleon, on whether or not we should have a draft in case of absolute emergencies. I am inclined to think so, hence by vote here, but in 99.99999% of cases I oppose the draft.

Third Question: Once again going with the stronger of the two languages here. I would have liked to have seen the right to low potency explosives restored, but I will take what I can get. I mean what would the Feds be today without the use of "C4" (yes, that is not low potency, I know). Evil Tongue 
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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2016, 01:46:31 am »

Any society without a strong gun control policy is simply opening the door to violence, tragedy, and murder.

Shame on those who don't care about the safety of our people, and in particular shame on those who do not care about the safety of the most vulnerable in society.

By having a no holds barred policy on guns written into the constitution, this convention has done nothing less than to declare open season on the innocents.

Shame on you, shame, shame, shame.  

You do realize that for 8 years, Atlasia had a much stronger guarantee of rights on this matter, and yet we still passed background checks and several other measures that were enver overturned by the courts.
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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2016, 09:41:53 am »

OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights

Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[  X  ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[   ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain


Question 2: No Slavery
[  X  ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain


Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[  X  ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[   ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2016, 07:49:10 pm »


OFFICIAL BALLOT
2nd Principle Vote on the Bill of Rights


Question 1: Freedom of Religion
[ x  ] Proposal A: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor obstructing the freedom of worship."
[   ] Proposal B: ""Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excersise thereof."
[   ] Abstain



Question 2: No Slavery
[ x  ] Proposal A: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Proposal B: "Neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, including any form of compulsory national service or military conscription, except as punishment for crimes of which the accused has been duly convicted, shall exist within the Republic of Atlasia, nor in any place under its jurisdiction."
[   ] Abstain



Question 3: Right to Bear Arms
[   ] Proposal A: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be withheld."
[ x  ] Proposal B: "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
[   ] Abstain


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