another Bush thread, because I'm curious...

[MaC]

liberals and others who wrote George W Bush is the absolute worst president we've had, what makes him down there below the other 42?  I mean, I think he's in the 5 to 7 worst presidents, but not the bottom.

[opebo]

Religion.

I realize many other presidents were religious extremists, but in context they were less bad, since people in general were more primitive, simple-minded, and supersticious in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  For 2005 people like Bush are shocking, disturbing throwbacks.

[Ebowed]

Religion.

Hey there, bigot.

I realize many other presidents were religious extremists, but in context they were less bad, since people in general were more primitive, simple-minded, and supersticious in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  For 2005 people like Bush are shocking, disturbing throwbacks.

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

[opebo]

Religion.

Hey there, bigot.

I'm against an intolerant ideology.  You might as well call anti-Nazis bigots.

I realize many other presidents were religious extremists, but in context they were less bad, since people in general were more primitive, simple-minded, and supersticious in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  For 2005 people like Bush are shocking, disturbing throwbacks.

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

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I hope you are right!  He just seems dumb enough to believe in god, and the thing is, even if you think you're just pandering to that kind of intolerance, it ends up coming to fruition.  Theocracy is still theocracy even if you were only pretending to mean it.

[A18]

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

So in other words, you just like assuming the worst of people.

[opebo]

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

So in other words, you just like assuming the worst of people.

Actually in this case he is assuming the best.

[Schmitz in 1972]

Bush's hammer blows to privacy and freedom are more permanent looking than those of Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevlet (why many liberals continue to defend this trio is a mystery to me)

[A18]

Patriot Act expires. What else?

[MaC]

Bush's hammer blows to privacy and freedom are more permanent looking than those of Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevlet (why many liberals continue to defend this trio is a mystery to me)

heh, good point.
Bush is pushing for a permanent version of the Patriot Act with no sunset provisions.  There're the war, and the huge deficit he's running also.
Reason I say he's not the worst is because there hasn't been any long standing damage to the economy.  The Federal Reseve Act and the New Deal are far more damaging.  I know liberals will say tax cuts for the rich, but that doesn't even come close.

Cummon Texasgurl, bandit, BRTD, the Marxism-rocket guy, jfern, (and others) I want to hear some good arguments that he's the worst president ever. 

[A18]

I don't support making it permanent, but it can easily be repealed at any point in time, or if it's unconstitutional as some claim, struck down in court.

War is waged by volunteers. I'm so sorry you had contribute tax dollars to something decent for once instead of some socialist program.

The deficit as a percentage of GDP is not huge, by historic standards.

Your implication that the Bush tax cuts were bad is really hilarious.

[Ebowed]

Religion.

Hey there, bigot.

I'm against an intolerant ideology.  You might as well call anti-Nazis bigots.

Ideology and religion are similar, but certainly not the same thing.

I realize many other presidents were religious extremists, but in context they were less bad, since people in general were more primitive, simple-minded, and supersticious in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  For 2005 people like Bush are shocking, disturbing throwbacks.

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

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I hope you are right!  He just seems dumb enough to believe in god, and the thing is, even if you think you're just pandering to that kind of intolerance, it ends up coming to fruition.  Theocracy is still theocracy even if you were only pretending to mean it.

Dude, you have no idea what theocracy is.  Spend a few months living in some Islamofascist theocracy, and then come back here and tell me how you feel about conservative voters who are infringing on your right to screw 13-year-olds for money.

[opebo]

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I still wouldn't like it.  Why would knowing there was something worse make me happy about my country being ruined in another way?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Bush's hammer blows to privacy and freedom are more permanent looking than those of Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevlet (why many liberals continue to defend this trio is a mystery to me)

heh, good point.
Bush is pushing for a permanent version of the Patriot Act with no sunset provisions.  There're the war, and the huge deficit he's running also.
Reason I say he's not the worst is because there hasn't been any long standing damage to the economy.  The Federal Reseve Act and the New Deal are far more damaging.  I know liberals will say tax cuts for the rich, but that doesn't even come close.

Cummon Texasgurl, bandit, BRTD, the Marxism-rocket guy, jfern, (and others) I want to hear some good arguments that he's the worst president ever. 

simple. He's 100% horrible. I can't say a single good thing about him. At least Reagan had the "tear down this wall!" line. Bush has NOTHING going for him. NOTHING. He is 100% worthless.

[Rob]

Bush is not really that genuine, I think most of it is pandering to the voters.  His real love is the corporations that fund his campaigns, not the God he claims to serve.  I'm surprised you of all people can't see that.

I've always suspected that Bush lies about his religiosity to attract "populists" in the hinterland.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If he were sincere, I doubt he'd be hugging and kissing that Christian-persecuting piece of human trash in jfern's sig.

[MaC]

I don't support making it permanent, but it can easily be repealed at any point in time, or if it's unconstitutional as some claim, struck down in court.

War is waged by volunteers. I'm so sorry you had contribute tax dollars to something decent for once instead of some socialist program.

War is a social program.  It follows the same rules, spend taxpayers well earned money, create a "solution" to a perceived problem, and never get the results you want.   Besides I don't think hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Americans died with any Urban Planning or Fair Taxation program went into place.

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Look, I'm only saying it's a liberal veiwpoint. I'm playing devil's advocate to try and get some liberal posts here. I think we should get money back, but the best way to do that is with massive chages in the tax code.  I'm for dimantling the Income Tax completely, you're for the 8.4% flat tax, but even you can agree some huge changes need to be made.  These are changes that the Bush administration isn't doing, that he has the power to do because congress is the same party.

[A18]

Do a Google news search on "tax panel bush"