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« on: April 07, 2016, 08:17:45 am »

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 08:40:33 am »

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What's a Nazi wedding?
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 08:58:43 am »

I would assume, if we're talking 2016 'murica, it would be a Nazi themed wedding.  Lots of swastikas, black boots and Charlie Chaplin mustaches.  Red and black would be the colors.

Something like this would be the cake

obviously you want to adjust the names and dates to fit.

Or maybe cherry cream?



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"I'm not happy with it. Why are you punishing me for one person's actions?" she said.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 10:31:16 am »

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2016, 10:41:05 am »

Black Forest cake might be more appropriate?
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 11:23:46 am »

I think they like to be called Forest cake of color now.
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Tyra Hemans, 19, a senior, told CNN she supports parts of the new policy, such as the ID requirement. But she believes other security measures, such as forcing students to carry clear backpacks, don't adequately address the real problem with school safety, which she says is lax gun laws.
"I'm not happy with it. Why are you punishing me for one person's actions?" she said.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 11:33:51 am »

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but my namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 12:16:34 pm »

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but by namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 03:05:41 pm »

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2016, 03:57:24 pm »

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but by namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2016, 04:20:03 pm »

Yes of course....
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 04:49:22 pm »

No.  And a Christian baker shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Let me put it this way: if a homosexual couple asks for a wedding cake from a Christian baker, and the baker refuses, then I'm OK with it, because preparing the cake would endorse/condone something that violates the baker's religious beliefs.  But if the homosexual couple in question simply asks for a dozen donuts and the baker refuses, then that would clearly be discrimination.  Providing donuts, cookies, etc. for an LGBT couple is different from baking a wedding cake for them, because one violated the baker's religious beliefs, and the other does not. 

Simply put: if the requested service violates a specific tenet of the merchant's religious beliefs, then they should be allowed to refuse.  But if it's a simple service like a dozen donuts, cookies, etc., or a simple meal, or something of that sort, then they should not be allowed to discriminate.

I think they like to be called Forest cake of color now.
No, they're African American Forest cakes.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2016, 04:51:36 pm »

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.
Translation: business owners should be allowed to ban blacks from their businesses.

Nice try, but I would argue that any business that provides a service to people is by definition public, and therefore can be regulated by the government.  It doesn't have to be government owned for the government to pass laws regarding their conduct.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2016, 05:02:36 pm »

No.

Wait, a gay Nazi wedding? Then yes.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2016, 05:32:05 pm »

Wait, isn't the swastika a peace symbol? Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2016, 05:39:24 pm »

The difference between a Gay wedding and a Nazi one is that denying a Nazi wedding is a matter of free speech and not flat out discrimination, and I do believe most everyone here would agree that the business owner has the right to limit free speech on the property that they have no right to own.
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2016, 05:42:17 pm »

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.
Translation: business owners should be allowed to ban blacks from their businesses.

Nice try, but I would argue that any business that provides a service to people is by definition public, and therefore can be regulated by the government.  It doesn't have to be government owned for the government to pass laws regarding their conduct.

Just to clarify, it's services not products. And it has to be services that need to be done at-will. (This does not extend to housing obviously.) I can understand some disagreement there though, but I think that's a fair line.
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2016, 07:26:29 pm »

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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2016, 07:42:56 pm »

They should be required to sell cakes to Nazis, but they cannot be forced to put a Swastika or anything Nazi on the cake.
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2016, 12:24:14 am »

This is apparently the issue that will prevent Gary Johnson from getting the Libertarian presidential nomination:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/gary-johnson-jewish-bakers-should-be-forced-to-bake-nazi-cakes/
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2016, 12:29:13 am »

I say let this guy figure it out. (I know he's dead)

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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2016, 01:25:39 am »

Yes any small business should have the right to deny services to any people they want for whatever reason.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2016, 03:56:17 am »

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason

Yeah, I'd say this, but I'd encourage private citizens to protest discrimination.

I hate both discrimination and government forcing people to do things they don't want to do, because both are disasterous to society, but I don't think we have to choose between one or the other. Bigotry will still exist if there are laws against it, and societal pressure is a more powerful tool for shaping cultural attitudes towards things than government action ever will be.

I'm just opposed to the idea that government needs to actively punish something simply because it's "wrong," unless it's an objective crime (e.g. assault or theft--as terrible as bigotry is I don't think it counts) and I stay consistent with that admittedly "radical" conception of government. (Because I think it's correct.)

Then again...I sort of enjoy seeing people who, for so long, argued that something (marraige equality) shouldn't be allowed simply because their "morality" says it's wrong complain about getting punished because secular/objective morality says their behavior is wrong. "Shadenfreude" is the term.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2016, 03:58:21 am »

This is apparently the issue that will prevent Gary Johnson from getting the Libertarian presidential nomination:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/gary-johnson-jewish-bakers-should-be-forced-to-bake-nazi-cakes/

No, I think he'll win it anyway on his (quite impressive, even for "big party" standards) resume, but the awkwardness and moderation might hurt himself with some of the more purist vote.
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2016, 05:16:02 am »

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but my namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever. Tongue

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