Do you support the Dem's super delegate system the way it is?

[‼realJohnEwards‼]

It's funny how Democrats are all about the popular vote in the general election, but when it comes to their party, the elders have to make sure the people made the right choice.  So much for the popular vote right? It's a horrible system.

I mean... If Sanders had won the popular vote, then I'm sure that superdelegates would have swung to him, assuming that he remained up in the general polls. Anything else would have been terrible optics, and would have made a horrible start to Clinton's season

[Hilldog]

It's funny how Democrats are all about the popular vote in the general election, but when it comes to their party, the elders have to make sure the people made the right choice.  So much for the popular vote right? It's a horrible system.

I mean... If Sanders had won the popular vote, then I'm sure that superdelegates would have swung to him, assuming that he remained up in the general polls. Anything else would have been terrible optics, and would have made a horrible start to Clinton's season

What you're saying is different from what Schultz said.  I agree with what you're saying but not your party elders.

[Shadows]

The 500 odd Supers for Hillary are the reason why Biden didn't run this time. They completely rig the game.

You also have to understand that Congressmen, Senators, Governors, DNC people etc will all be campaigning madly for the candidate. So if Biden ran, he may have the entire Delaware team of Gov, Senators, Congressmen, DNC people against him in his home state of Delaware which is crazy.

They shape the narrative of the media & the election.

They have to go - Just eliminate the god damn primaries if you are okay with Supers altering the will of Primary voters - Do a Super Poll & chose the nominee!

[LLR]

The 500 odd Supers for Hillary are the reason why Biden didn't run this time. They completely rig the game.

You also have to understand that Congressmen, Senators, Governors, DNC people etc will all be campaigning madly for the candidate. So if Biden ran, he may have the entire Delaware team of Gov, Senators, Congressmen, DNC people against him in his home state of Delaware which is crazy.

They shape the narrative of the media & the election.

They have to go - Just eliminate the god damn primaries if you are okay with Supers altering the will of Primary voters - Do a Super Poll & chose the nominee!

Dude, Hillary won the popular vote by 12 points and Biden didn't run because he was at 12% in the polls and is good friends with Clinton. It also didn't help that both of the last times he ran, he didn't do too well. The superdelegates are a necessary tool if a Trump-like situation happens on our side (i.e. if our nominee has the chance to ruin our party's wellbeing), and that's a fact.

[Shadows]

The 500 odd Supers for Hillary are the reason why Biden didn't run this time. They completely rig the game.

You also have to understand that Congressmen, Senators, Governors, DNC people etc will all be campaigning madly for the candidate. So if Biden ran, he may have the entire Delaware team of Gov, Senators, Congressmen, DNC people against him in his home state of Delaware which is crazy.

They shape the narrative of the media & the election.

They have to go - Just eliminate the god damn primaries if you are okay with Supers altering the will of Primary voters - Do a Super Poll & chose the nominee!

Dude, Hillary won the popular vote by 12 points and Biden didn't run because he was at 12% in the polls and is good friends with Clinton. It also didn't help that both of the last times he ran, he didn't do too well. The superdelegates are a necessary tool if a Trump-like situation happens on our side (i.e. if our nominee has the chance to ruin our party's wellbeing), and that's a fact.

Absolutely & she only won because Blacks & older Blacks voted blindly for her & in the GE they really don't care & would vote Dem anyways.

The whole 12% thing was largely shaped by many things - Sanders had little name recognition, every big Congressman, Senator, Governor was against him & Clinton was like 400-0 before the Debates even started, very few debates in time when no1 watches, DNC Partisanship, Closed Primaries requiring Reg Change 8 months back like in NY n so on. I am not saying that Sanders would have won but if everything was fair it would have been very close.

Last time Biden was not a VP, people evolve n improve. 12% is a fairly good number for an opening considering he had 0% of the establishment support in terms of Supers who were completely with Clinton. The Debate was also rigged.

If there were 10-12 debates before Iowa, If Clinton Superpac didn't have 100M$ (like a nuclear weapon to use in case they are staring at a loss), if every Super was not with Biden, then Biden would have garnered decent publicity in the debates - He could have been an alternative!

I am not saying he would have won but he as VP & a very capable Senator & a decent guy he had surely a decent chance. If you have your own entire party people against you & your opponent sitting in a warchest of money, it is a huge deterrence - Dude these are strategies 101 - Ask any successful Corporate guy why do firms invest big in marketing, R & D or even sometimes overcapacity - Not just today's gain but to create entry barriers for future firms to enter.


This idea of Supers preventing a party ruin is pretty ridiculous me - Why? Because how do you judge Person X will ruin - I mean Clinton was one of the most scam tainted & unpopular dishonest corrupt candidate & they didn't do anything!

How can you say a candidate who wins say 15-20M votes & wins the Popular vote across Dems, Independents against so many candidates will bring ruin to the party? How can 300-400 party leaders who have close ties to Candidate X or Y decide that the 30M people total voting have made an incorrect decision? What is the criteria? That will be an outrage, will lead to a 3rd party candidate, huge outflux to Green, Liberatarians & will possible destroy the Democratic Party for a couple of decades - I don't think Dems can ever recover putting a candidate who lost the Primary elections & the party boss turned it out - The ads write themselves!

Also to some of these Super-Delegates are completely paid off people & lobbyists who support candidates friendly to their cause. Howard Dean, the once progressive guy is not an health insurance company lobbyist or something like that. Many of these Senators, Congress people are beholden to Party leaders for favors n so on

[Shadows]

Just to add, the result of the pledged delegates were -

Clinton - 54% odd
Sanders - 46% odd

That was a 8% win, there is no 55-43, that is a stupid n false narrative where caucus votes are not counted but representations of Caucuses are not counted, so it under-represents caucuses which boosts Clinton's tally!

[LLR]

Just to add, the result of the pledged delegates were -

Clinton - 54% odd
Sanders - 46% odd

That was a 8% win, there is no 55-43, that is a stupid n false narrative where caucus votes are not counted but representations of Caucuses are not counted, so it under-represents caucuses which boosts Clinton's tally!

Because less people vote in caucuses, related to the fact that they are undemocratic and favor white people. If the election was only primaries, the PV would've been about 57-43, and the delegates would've shown that.

[Lachi]

No, Seeing super delegates abolished would be a massive improv,net to the democracy of the Primary season. Also removing caucuses would also be really nice too see