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AmericanNation
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« on: May 19, 2016, 03:16:19 PM »

Vanilla Nationalism aligned with the conservative movement is not Fascism.  We used to have nationalist planks in both parties in this country, Harry Truman wasn't a Fascist, but you would call him one today.  Pursuing The nations interest BEFORE the interests of others isn't Fascism, it's common sense based on logic and reason.       
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2016, 04:08:36 PM »

My point is that nationalism is mainstream and always was represented by both parties to some extent, until dems started going nuts in 68 and Republican elites went ultra-internationalist on a few issues more recently. 

People seem to be dense about "cooperation".  It isn't a goal in itself.  You build partnerships when it makes sense and you don't when it doesn't.  You don't "cooperate" when it harms you severely.  Apparently that is a Fascist doctrine that Truman and FDR subscribed to and is now horrifying.                 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2016, 05:14:09 PM »
« Edited: May 19, 2016, 05:18:59 PM by AmericanNation »

My point is that nationalism is mainstream and always was represented by both parties to some extent, until dems started going nuts in 68 and Republican elites went ultra-internationalist on a few issues more recently.  

People seem to be dense about "cooperation".  It isn't a goal in itself.  You build partnerships when it makes sense and you don't when it doesn't.  You don't "cooperate" when it harms you severely.  Apparently that is a Fascist doctrine that Truman and FDR subscribed to and is now horrifying.                

You invent a straw man. Nobody in US politics has ever objected to puting US interests first, and no prominent US politician has every done anything else. If any US presidential candidate has ever acted against US interests, it is Donald Trump. In fact, the only nationalist candidate in this race in the sense of Truman/FDR/Eisenhower/Reagan/Bush/Kennedy, you name it, is Hillary Clinton.

The choice in this election is very clear. If you care about the United States of America, you vote Hillary Clinton. If you want to destroy America and its way of life, you vote Donald Trump. As simple as that.

Maybe walk through how that would be true in a linear fashion... I'm guessing you can't because it's probably impossible.

Hillary Clinton has never done anything (accomplishments... she has committed crimes and destroyed things), much less something in the interest of the country.  She has accepted money from foreign governments and their agents, who obviously have interests conflicting with the United States (by definition).  

Trump hasn't been bribed by foreigners, is a builder, and a successful negotiator.  

The proof is when you bring up changing trade deals or immigration.  Both issues need to be addressed to prevent continued harm to the country (obviously).  The Dems and some GOPers freak out like you're worshiping the devil if you advocate a pro-American position.  

Hillary Clinton has quite possibly staked out an anti-American position on every conceivable issue... Trying to think of an exception is something I don't have the time to research.  It would be like finding a needle in a haystack.      

It is in her nature to pander to small or fictional grievances in order to gain votes... actually acting out your panders to fictional grievers is by definition harmful to the country.  Additionally, the political art of forming and encouraging the phantom grievance groups has a dividing effect that is harful to the nation particularly from a nationalist perspective.  Anti-marxism and nationalism in america tend to go together, so Hillary can't be a nationalist because of her proximity to neo-marxist acttivities.     
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2016, 05:56:53 PM »

A lot of Republicans don't care about conservatism and this election proves it.

Amen. The mask has been revealed and all that rhetoric about "muh constitution" and "muh small government" was just rhetoric and nothing more.

...basically.  It is kind of complicated.  I have often wondered if a national candidates ideological scorecard matters when weighed against other factors like:
1) ability to win
2) ability to call out democrat/media crap effectively
etc.

If you are a constitutional-ist and a federalist, than just keep insane democrats out of the white house and govern from the legislature and the states... like you should.

Trump will be directly involved in:
1)appointing non-lunatic judges
2)conducting a sane foreign policy
3)cutting a trade deal or two 
4)boarder security / immigration reform

5)maybe reigning in the lunatic EPA
6)appointing a cabinet obviously

Everything else is the states or congressional proposal/deal making.
so, really who cares how pure the guy is.  Democrats can't have the white house is the bottom line. 

Trumps will get 2 major issues done personally (the nationalist two) and delegate the rest to party loyalists and conservatives. 
I can live with that... It's pretty reasonable.
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 05:11:28 PM »

Everything he says is Trump-Fascism has been done by Obama...
So given that fact,
1) is Obama a dangerous fascist? 
2) Will Clinton continue Obama's Fascism? 
3) Aren't we already Fascist? How could it come to be by Trump, if Obama already brought it?
4) Is Trump the lesser Fascist compared to Hillary?

...Where has this guy been for 8 years?
 
 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 06:01:47 PM »

...Maybe come up with a single thing that isn't factual.  I won't hold my breath. 
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