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« on: June 06, 2016, 07:29:52 PM »

Congrats Clinton!

Keep in mind that the CNN, AP, and MSNBC super delegate surveys are each completely separate organizations that aren't connected with each other at all, so this may be just an AP-Only call for tonight for ratings reasons - TV Networks want people to watch special coverage of the 6/7 results.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 07:49:52 PM »

Google uses AP.

CNN just edited their count from 2357 to 2367. We'll see if they go all the way.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 08:00:31 PM »

CNN has her 10 away now.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 09:12:23 PM »

They waited until everyone voted in 2008. Hillary can't win a majority of the pledged delegates without California. The superdelegates haven't voted yet and can change their mind at any moment. Such disrespect to those of us voting tomorrow. Scum.

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I don't get this line. The pledged delegates haven't voted either, but we count them. They are also (technically) allowed to change their vote.

Huh? Pledged delegates are bound to vote on the first ballot for their candidate.

"Bound" can be a squishy word, though. It is certainly not illegal to vote contrary to how you are "bound" to vote, and usually delegates are chosen for their blind loyalty much like the electoral college. But just as faithless electors are a thing, you could theoretically have faithless delegates. I don't know if it's ever happened in a meaningful way, though.

A lot of states have laws that make the pledges legally binding, and the state chairs that announce the votes at the convention could simply refuse to announce improperly cast votes, either declaring they were cast as they should have been or saying the delegates abstained. And it's not quite like the EC because the delegates are, with a few exceptions, chosen by state parties and not by the candidates themselves. That's why there are a number of delegates at the convention this year who will vote for TRUMP because of their pledge, but would vote for Cruz if they were allowed to do so.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 11:26:35 PM »


All this means is they had some super-delegates who were going to vote for Hillary hold off on announcing their intent until now for the media coverage.  It's a silly move because the optics are bad to clinch via supers over pledged; but they really must be growing tired of the Sanders campaign and wanting to send a message that she has this wrapped up regardless of tomorrow's events.  Whether it's useful or not is to be seen.


What's so good about clinching it tonight versus tomorrow night? If she had told the supers wait until wednesday, she gets the clinch call tomorrow on network special coverage, drawing in millions of viewers for her victory speech. This way, there is no clinch call to make tomorrow since it has already been made. Tomorrow's elections might be played by the media as a 'referendum on the superdelegates' that will be deemed to have failed if CA votes Bernie. It will be clear that the contests are a complete afterthought. Far fewer people will watch Clinton's victory speech. It could dramatically lower pro-Clinton turnout. It gives Sanders's anti-superdelegate rage additional credibility. And it just looks bad to get the last few with supers. Clinton should have been very clear with the renaming supers - you hold off until Wednesday (or late Tuesday night) or I will disavow your endorsement.
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