Do you agree with the Regions in the Return to Normalcy book?

[Canis]

In a Return to Normalcy in one of the first chapters they break the results down by region. I think its pretty much fine with the modern definition of the regions but I know for a while the Dakotahs and MO KY and WV were considered in the midwest and some people consider PA in the midwest.
Biden Wins the North East by 58.7-39.%
Biden wins the industrial Midwest by 49.6-48.5% a margin of 331k votes
Biden Wins the Pacific West by 61.6-35.9%
Trump Wins the Greater South by 53.6-44.9% (5 Million votes)
Trump Wins the Inner West and Great Plains by 51.3-46% (821k Votes)

[Alben Barkley]

Basically yes. You could argue with a few things here and there but broadly it’s correct.

Also nobody serious ever considered KY or WV midwestern.

[Samof94]

If PR was a state, where would it fall?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

If PR was a state, where would it fall?

South, by default.

[Samof94]

If PR was a state, where would it fall?

South, by default.

It had slaves under Spanish rule.

[Del Tachi]

DMV belongs to the South

The Midwest should be bigger, picking up MO as well as ND-KS

If you want to lob the Mountain West off from the West Coast that's fine, but NV and probably AZ should go in the California-based region

[Del Tachi]

Also nobody serious ever considered KY or WV midwestern.

Agree on KY, but most of WV's population is concentrated near the Ohio River.  WV is definitely more economically connected to OH or PA than it is VA.

[AGA]

Nothing is too objectionable here, but Maryland and DC are more Southern than Northeastern. Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas are also questionable. You could change the regions of all those states and rename the Greater South to the Southeast. For a five-region map, I would go with this:

[VBM]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

[Skunk]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma who goes to college in Minnesota, no it doesn't.

[VBM]

Nothing is too objectionable here, but Maryland and DC are more Southern than Northeastern.

In the 1800s maybe, but not today

[VBM]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma who goes to college in Minnesota, no it doesn't.

What makes OK more Southern than Midwestern?

[Kingpoleon]

This is perfect!

[Hope For A New Era]

Missouri is not the South!

Midwest needs to include MO and the entire ND-KS stack. Pacific West needs to include Nevada.

And then you have the nagging problem of the Virginia/Maryland/Delaware/DC/West Virginia mess. I'm not even going to try to untangle that.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Also nobody serious ever considered KY or WV midwestern.

Agree on KY, but most of WV's population is concentrated near the Ohio River.  WV is definitely more economically connected to OH or PA than it is VA.

That's true, but the same also goes for Kentucky. The overwhelming majority of the population is Louisville/Lexington/Northern Kentucky, all north of the Knobs and more dialed into the economy of Cincinnati, Columbus, and Indianapolis than Nashville or Atlanta.

[Del Tachi]

TBF, you can split the U.S. into no more than three, broadly-defined cultural/ethnic regions:



A Puritan-derived, moralistic Yankee culture, a more honor-bound plantation-based Dixie culture, and a heavily German/Scots-Irish derived dominant Midland culture.  You also have four unique ethnic enclaves that deny this typology based in New York City, French Louisiana, Latin-Carribbean South Florida and the Hispanic Southwest.

Obviously not perfect, and maybe even a laughable exercise, but I like the map.  It is somewhat based on shrinking the 9 Nations of North America down to 3.  

[VBM]

TBF, you can split the U.S. into no more than three, broadly-defined cultural/ethnic regions:



A Puritan-derived, moralistic Yankee culture, a more honor-bound plantation-based Dixie culture, and a heavily German/Scots-Irish derived dominant Midland culture.  You also have four unique ethnic enclaves that deny this typology based in New York City, French Louisiana, Latin-Carribbean South Florida and the Hispanic Southwest.

Obviously not perfect, and maybe even a laughable exercise, but I like the map.  It is somewhat based on shrinking the 9 Nations of North America down to 3.  

How are the Dixies “honor-bound”?

[AlterEgo]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma who goes to college in Minnesota, no it doesn't.

What makes OK more Southern than Midwestern?

Well, in something that is usually used as a good shortcut/cultural identifier in this type of scenario:

Share of Self-Identified Evangelical Christians:

Oklahoma: 47%
Minnesota: 19%

Alabama: 49%
Mississippi: 41%
Tennessee: 52%

Wisconsin: 22%
Ohio: 29%
Michigan: 25%

Which group does it look like Oklahoma belongs to?

[VBM]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma who goes to college in Minnesota, no it doesn't.

What makes OK more Southern than Midwestern?

Well, in something that is usually used as a good shortcut/cultural identifier in this type of scenario:

Share of Self-Identified Evangelical Christians:

Oklahoma: 47%
Minnesota: 19%

Alabama: 49%
Mississippi: 41%
Tennessee: 52%

Wisconsin: 22%
Ohio: 29%
Michigan: 25%

Which group does it look like Oklahoma belongs to?

What about Midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and the Dakotas? What does their Evangelical percentage look like?

[AlterEgo]

Only problem is Oklahoma, which is belongs to the Midwest

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma who goes to college in Minnesota, no it doesn't.

What makes OK more Southern than Midwestern?

Well, in something that is usually used as a good shortcut/cultural identifier in this type of scenario:

Share of Self-Identified Evangelical Christians:

Oklahoma: 47%
Minnesota: 19%

Alabama: 49%
Mississippi: 41%
Tennessee: 52%

Wisconsin: 22%
Ohio: 29%
Michigan: 25%

Which group does it look like Oklahoma belongs to?

What about Midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and the Dakotas? What does their Evangelical percentage look like?

Kansas: 31%
Nebraska 25%
Iowa: 28%
South Dakota: 25%
North Dakota: 22%

The cultural influence of Evangelical Protestantism is much, much stronger (aka more "Southern") in OK than in anywhere in the Midwest.

[courts]

no i go by the census. maybe throw in some sub-regions

[RINO Tom]

Also nobody serious ever considered KY or WV midwestern.

Agree on KY, but most of WV's population is concentrated near the Ohio River.  WV is definitely more economically connected to OH or PA than it is VA.

This is too analytical.  No one in other Midwestern states would consider WV as part of the Midwest, and no one in WV would consider their state in the Midwest.