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« on: June 13, 2016, 04:38:09 PM »

Labour:

1922: John Clynes
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Aneurin Bevan
1960: Harold Wilson
1961: Anthony Greenwood
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: Probably Michael Foot, though with some hindsight I could see myself voting for Roy Jenkins over European policy
1980: Michael Foot
1983: Neil Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock (Benn was essentially trolling at that point)
1992: John Smith
1994: Margaret Beckett
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: Ed Miliband
2015: Jeremy Corbyn


Conservative:

1965: Edward Heath
1975: Edward Heath (1st), William Whitelaw (2nd)
1989: Anthony Meyer
1990: Michael Heseltine
1995: John Major
1997: Kenneth Clarke
2001: Kenneth Clarke
2003: Screw this
2005: David Davis


Liberal Democrats:

I don't care
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 05:40:49 PM »

'35: Atlee
'55: Morrison
'60: Gaitskell
'61: Gaitskell
'63: Brown
'76: Jenkins
'80: Foot
'83: Kinnock
'88: Kinnock
'92: Smith
'94: Blair
'07: Brown (Miliband/Reid if they stood)
'10: Ed Miliband
'15: Burnham

Puts me on the weird centre left/compass wing of the party
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 06:22:57 PM »



I guess most of the British citizens also.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 07:12:19 PM »

Conservative
1965: Enoch Powell
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1990: John Major
1995: John Redwood
1997: Michael Howard
2001: David Davis
2005: David Davis

Labour
1935: Arthur Greenwood
1955: Hugh Gaitskell
1960: Hugh Gaitskell
1961: Hugh Gaitskell
1963: George Brown
1976: James Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey
1983: Peter Shore
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: John Prescott
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: Andy Burnham
2015: Andy Burnham
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 07:59:16 PM »

Conservative Leadership:
1965: Reginald Maulding, I guess. Seems the least worst of the three.
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher (1st Ballot); John Major (2nd Ballot)
1995: John Major (somewhat reluctantly)
1997: Kenneth Clarke
2001: Iain Duncan Smith (all rounds and membership vote)
2003: I second the "screw this" mentality for this (I would've wrote in Barry Legg had this been allowed for a public vote)
2005: Liam Fox (1st and 2nd Round of MP Vote); David Cameron (Third Round and Membership Vote)

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 09:36:26 PM »

Forgot to include labour.

Labour Leadership:
1955: Hugh Gaitskell
1960: Hugh Gaitskell
1961: Hugh Gaitskell

1963: James Callaghan
1976: James Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey
1983: Neil Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: Tony Blair (<33333)
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: David Miliband (<33333)
2015: Liz Kendall (<33333)



eh, don't really care to go farther back then the post-WW2 era.


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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 10:36:28 PM »

Conservative Leadership:

1965: Edward Heath
1975: Edward Heath (1st ballot), William Whitelaw (2nd ballot)
1989: Anthony Meyer or Abstain
1990: Michael Heseltine (1st and 2nd Ballot)
1995: John Major (If it went to a 2nd Ballot and Major resigned, then Heseltine)
1997: Kenenth Clarke
2001: Kenneth Clarke or Michael Portillo
2003: Had he run, Portillo
2005: David Cameron
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 10:16:24 AM »


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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 10:18:56 AM »

Conservative

1965: Reggie Maudling
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher (1st), John Major (2nd)
1995: John Redwood
1997: William Hague
2001: Michael Portillo
2005: David Davis
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2016, 12:43:19 PM »

Labour:

1922: Ramsay MacDonald, at least at the time
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Aneurin Bevan
1960: Harold Wilson
1961: Anthony Greenwood
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: Michael Foot. A real variety of factions on offer here eh.
1980: Peter Shore on the first ballot, Michael Foot on the second
1983: 1. Peter Shore, 2. Eric Heffer, 3. Neil Kinnock, 4. Roy Hattersley. Would have been pissed off at Kinnock for his antics in the 1981 Deputy election.
1988: Tony Benn, even though his time had clearly gone by this point
1992: John Smith. Wouldn't have trusted Bryan Gould, who suddenly ran as the leftie candidate after having been a Blair before Blair
1994: 1. Margaret Beckett, 2. John Prescott, 3. Tony Blair. But at the time I'm sure I would have viewed Blair as "nice chap, just not on my wing of the party".
2007: Gordon Brown unopposed. Would have nominated McDonnell if I'd been an MP.
2010: In hindsight - 1. Andy Burnham, 2. Ed Miliband, 3. Diane Abbott, 4. Ed Balls, 5. David Miliband
2015: Actual vote was 1. Jeremy Corbyn, 2. Andy Burnham, 3. Yvette Cooper, 4. Liz Kendall. Had that obscure Mary whatshername made it onto the ballot she'd have been 4th and Kendall 5th.


Conservative...imagining myself as one even while holding the same views (absurd).

1965: Reggie Maudling...Heath had been responsible for some austerity measures during the previous government IIRC.
1975: Hugh Fraser on the first (don't like the other two, for different reasons), James Prior on the second
1989: The world-famous Anthony Meyer
1990: Michael Heseltine on the first, Douglas Hurd on the second (best of a bad bunch)
1995: John Redwood, just to rock the boat.
1997: John Redwood on the first two, then Kenneth Clarke on the third.
2001: Michael Portillo on all of the MPs ballots, then Kenneth Clarke on the members'.
2003: Would have wanted Portillo, but he was more concerned with doing evening TV programmes by this point
2005: David Davis on all ballots
Next: Of the possible candidates, Boris Johnson


Liberal Democrats/SDP/Liberals, why not:

1967: What a huge electorate this had! Probably Eric Lubbock
1976: David Steel
1982: Such humble, down to earth people.... David Owen is the more bearable of the two.
1988: Paddy Ashdown
1999: 1. Charles Kennedy, 2. Jackie Ballard, 3. David Rendel, 4. Simon Hughes, 5. Malcolm Bruce
2006: 1. Simon Hughes, 2. Ming Campbell, 3. Chris Huhne. This says more about the other two than it does about Hughes.
2007: Chris Huhne, which, again, says more about the alternative.
2015: And again...Tim Farron


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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2016, 01:49:02 PM »

1965: Enoch Powell
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher; Douglas Hurd
1995: John Redwood
1997: John Redwood; William Hague
2001: David Davis; Iain Duncan Smith
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Davis
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2016, 01:54:24 PM »

Labour:

1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Hugh Gaitskell
1960: Hugh Gaitskell
1961: Hugh Gaitskell
1963: James Callaghan
1976: James Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey
1983: Neil Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: Tony Blair
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: David Miliband
2015: Liz Kendall


Conservative:

1965: Reginald Maudling
1975: Margaret Thatcher (1st), Margaret Thatcher (2nd)
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Michael Heseltine (1st), Michael Heseltine (2nd)
1995: John Redwood
1997: William Hague
2001: Michael Portillo
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Cameron
2016?
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 PM »

Conservative:

1965: Edward Heath. (I have a slight soft spot for him. Maudling wasn't terrible either iirc)
1975: James Prior. (Pretty good for a Tory. Heath had become bitter as feck by then and Whitelaw had...issues)
1989: ugh, Meyer. (Lesser of two evils premium example)
1990: Douglas Hurd. (Honestly kind of feel sorry for him. Made Heseltine look like Michael Caine)
1995: John Major.
1997: Kenneth Clarke. (Has become a git recently, but he's a good bloke overall. His deal with The Vulcan was very odd)
2001: Michael Portillo. (Post conversion obviously)
2003: ew. (*the night intensifies*)
2005: Kenneth Clarke. (poor field overall tbh)

Labour:

1955: Nye Bevan. (Uncertain vote, since he'd be crap as leader at that point)
1960: Harold Wilson. (Nothing against Gaitskell, but you can't Ill-son the Wilson)
1961: Anthony Greenwood. (Fairly interesting man, look him up)
1963: Harold Wilson. (Callaghan was fine, but Brown had err...issues)
1976: Jim Callaghan. (I like Foot more, but I honestly don't think he would've made a good leader. Crosland and Jenkins I would've been fine with)
1980: Peter Shore. (another interesting man)
1983: Peter Shore.
1988: Neil Kinnock. (Honestly, Benn was past it at that point)
1992: John Smith. (Not a perfect choice, but Gould was a bit out there)
1994: Margaret Beckett. (Might've been tempted by Blair)
2007: Gordon Brown. (I hold a lot of respect for him, and McDonnell is a prick)
2010: Ed Balls. (I have an odd love for him. Abbott and DMIL at the bottom obvs)
2015: Yvette Cooper.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2016, 06:48:45 PM »

Maudling wasn't terrible either iirc)

He was a massive, massive crook fwiw.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2016, 07:00:21 PM »

Maudling wasn't terrible either iirc)

He was a massive, massive crook fwiw.
I am aware of that, yes.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2016, 09:55:44 PM »

Conservatives
1965: Ed Heath
1975: Heath, Whitelaw
1989: Spoilt
1990: Heseltine
1995: Major
1997: Clarke
2001: Clarke
2003: Howard
2005: Clarke, Cameron
Next: Justine Greening
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 07:39:50 AM »

Labour Deputy Leader:

1956: Aneurin Bevan
1959: Bevan unopposed
1960: Frederick Lee
1961: Barbara Castle
1962: Harold Wilson
1970: Michael Foot
1971: Michael Foot
1972: Michael Foot
1976: Michael Foot (at last! he won!)
1980: Denis Healey unopposed
1981: 1. Tony Benn 2. John Silkin 3. Denis Healey (still the most epic election in Labour history)
1983: 1. Michael Meacher, 2. Denzil Davies, 3. Gwyneth Dunwoody, 4. Roy Hattersley
1988: 1. Eric Heffer, 2. John Prescott, 3. Roy Hattersley
1992: 1. Margaret Beckett, 2. John Prescott, 3. Bryan Gould
1994: Margaret Beckett
2007: 1. Peter Hain, 2. Jon Cruddas, 3. Alan Johnson, 4. Hilary Benn, 5. Harriet Harman, 6. Hazel Blears
2015: Actual vote was 1. Stella Creasy, 2. Tom Watson, 3. Angela Eagle, 4. Caroline Flint, 5. Ben Bradshaw
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2016, 12:17:08 PM »

1982: Such humble, down to earth people.... David Owen is the more bearable of the two.

David Owen: trying to convince you he's still somewhat relevant for the last 37 years.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2021, 05:00:16 AM »
« Edited: August 28, 2021, 03:36:44 PM by Geoffrey Howe »

Thought I might revive this since we've had a few more since.



Conservative:
1965: Heath - We now know what Powell was like. Maudling was generally poor. Interestingly, however, Geoffrey Howe nearly voted for Enoch Powell - who was then known as a free-marketeer.
Quote from: Geoffrey Howe
Over the next thirty years the gap between me and [Enoch Powell] was to be driven even wider - first by race, then by Europe and, finally, by Ireland.

1975: Thatcher/Howe*
I might have been worried by Thatcher at the time, but Heath had to go. Second round self-explanatory.
1989: Meyer
See username. I suspect Geoffrey Howe, despite being Leader of the Commons, voted for Meyer: he is decidedly ambiguous about it in his autobiography, and indeed nearly ran himself.
1990: Heseltine/Major
Heseltine for the usual reasons. As for the second round, Heseltine would have split the party; I like Hurd, but he would not have made a good party leader and probably would have lost 1992.
1995: Major
Obvious: Europe, plus John Redwood is awful.
1997: Clarke
Not sure what to make of his alliance with Redwood. Needless to say, most Redwood supporters voted for Hague (Margaret Thatcher personally called them all). It is probably better for Clarke that he didn't become leader during the early Blair years for no one could have beaten him.
2001: Clarke
As above; IDS speaks for himself.
2005: Clarke/Cameron
Tough one as I rather dislike Cameron (how can anyone like him?); but I'm not sure Davis would have been a good choice.
2016: Crabb/May
Crabb was supported by Ken Clarke and the like. More a protest vote than anything. Obviously not supporting Andrea Leadsom.
2019: Stewart/Gove/Hunt
Stewart for obvious reasons until he pulled out. After that it was Boris, Hunt, Gove and Javid. Gove is the most impressive of the lot. Hunt in the members' ballot simply because he isn't Boris.

It may be worth mentioning that in the 1970s I would have been on the right of the party, and now I am on the left. I believe Thatcherism was necessary, and the right solution (mainly) for the times. In today's terms I am not terribly radical, and I dislike the antics the right is fond of.

*A little known fact is that Ken Clarke voted for Howe in the second round (he was his PPS as Solicitor General).
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2021, 07:25:04 AM »

Conservative:
1965: Ted Heath
1975: Margaret Thatcher/William Whitelaw
1989: Anthony Meyer
1990: Michael Heseltine/John Major
1995: John Major
1997: William Hague
2001: David Davis/Ken Clarke
2005: David Davis
2016: Theresa May
2019: Jeremy Hunt
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2021, 07:28:24 AM »
« Edited: May 16, 2021, 12:46:54 PM by beesley »

Hmm... based on my current views.
Conservative:
1965: Heath
1975: Heath or Thatcher, the others weren't credible.
1989: Abstain or Meyer, only to undermine Thatcher.
1990: Major
1995: Redwood on Europe
1997: Clarke
2001: Portillo
2005: Davis
2016: Fox, then May
2019: Hunt

Labour:
1955: Gaitskell
1960: Gaitskell
1961: Gaitskell
1963: Callaghan
1976: Healey
1980: Healey, should've been Prime Minister
1983: Kinnock
1988: Kinnock
1992: Smith
1994: John Prescott
2007: Brown
2010: Burnham
2015: Burnham
2020: Starmer

LD:
1982: Owen
1988: Ashdown
1999: Kennedy (also should've been Prime Minister)
2006: Ugh... Hughes probably?
2007: Clegg
2015: Tough, I like Farron but probably would've voted Lamb
2019: Davey
2020: Davey



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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2021, 09:51:06 AM »

Conservative:
1975: Thatcher
1989: Thatcher
1990: Thatcher then Major
1995: Redwood
1997: Hague
2001: Portillo
2005: Davis
2016: Fox then Leadsom
2019: McVey then Johnson
Next: Patel, maybe Truss

Basically the Buckley Rule apart from '97.

The only one I actually voted for was Boris and it was extremely reluctant - I was worried he wasn't a real rightwinger.  I was right that he isn't a real rightwinger but I don't regret backing him because of the 2019 election result.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2021, 12:31:57 PM »

1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Aneurin Bevan
1960: Harold Wilson
1961: Tony Greenwood
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: Tony Benn
1983: Eric Heffer
1988: Tony Benn
1992: No vote
1994: No vote
2007: No vote
2010: No vote
2015: Jeremy Corbyn
2016: Jeremy Corbyn
2020: Rebecca Long-Bailey
Next: would probably not be a Labour Party member if i was British, probably burn my member's card in a livestream on Facebook.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2021, 12:57:41 PM »

1992: No vote
1994: No vote
2007: No vote
2010: No vote
Most of those elections where you would not vote in, had "hard" left labourites running or candidates close to the hard left.
Next: would probably not be a Labour Party member if i was British, probably burn my member's card in a livestream on Facebook.
What party would you join after you would hypothetically burn your members card on facebook or would you become an independent?
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2021, 01:08:43 PM »

Rolled a dice on what to do and I decided to do the SDP/LibDem leadership elections:

1982: Roy Jenkins
1988: Paddy Ashdown
1999: Charles Kennedy
2006: Simon Hughes, then Ming Campbell
2007: Nick Clegg or abstain
2015: Norman Lamb
2017: Vince Cable
2019: Ed Davey
2020: Ed Davey
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