SB 2016-004: Freedom to Donate Act of 2016 (Passed Senate)

[tmthforu94]

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Sponsor: Originally sponsored by Classic Conservative in the House, Tmthforu94 in the Senate

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I have absolutely no problems with this bill.

[tmthforu94]

All right, first I want to thank Classic Conservative for introducing this bill.

My one concern I'd like to address is clause four: sometimes an individual may not know they have HIV/AIDS when donating blood, so I don't necessarily think they should be able to be sued for it. Rather, I think the responsibility fall on the FDA to ensure the blood is properly tested and does not contain any diseases. If something slips through the cracks, it should be on the FDA, not the donor.

Curious to hear other thoughts - if there is agreement, I will offer an amendment reflecting that.

[Goldwater]

Yeah, having the FDA be responsible for the safety of the blood probably makes the most sense.

[Prince of Salem]

All right, first I want to thank Classic Conservative for introducing this bill.

My one concern I'd like to address is clause four: sometimes an individual may not know they have HIV/AIDS when donating blood, so I don't necessarily think they should be able to be sued for it. Rather, I think the responsibility fall on the FDA to ensure the blood is properly tested and does not contain any diseases. If something slips through the cracks, it should be on the FDA, not the donor.

Curious to hear other thoughts - if there is agreement, I will offer an amendment reflecting that.

Yeah, this makes sense.

[Classic Conservative]

I'm totally fine with the admendment.

[Blair]

I think the figures I saw said that 66% of people who have HIV/AIDS didn't know they did, and that was in the US alone. Very good amendment

[tmthforu94]

Amendment:

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24 hours for objections, otherwise the amendment will be considered adopted.

[Blair]

Assuming that the amendment is adopted I motion for a final vote

[Pingvin]

I would like to propose a following amendment

Amendment:

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[tmthforu94]

I'd consider that friendly, though we might as well include any dangerous diseases.

[Wisconsin+17]

Sue them both. It is the responsibility of the donor and the FDA to ensure that donors have a clean bill of health before donating. Anyone caught donating HIV tainted blood, either through the screened blood, or through prior medical records shall also be barred from ever donating again in the future.

Also, cap the claims at 5 million against anyone found donating. That's about right for infecting people with HIV. Just because someone is ignorant of their HIV status, is hardly compensation to the victims. If you're going to have people trust the blood supply, you're going to have to ensure that those who abuse the privilege are punished. People's lives are at stake here.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Why should we allow the lgbt community to donate blood when it's been proven that the disease risk is just too high? I cannot in good conscience support this bill even with the right of a victim to sue. We have prohibitions on donations from certain countries due to the same disease risk. This is no different. I want to make it clear. My opposition to this legislation is for the safety of all Atlasians not of hate or bigotry.

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Okay, so can you cite your sources?

[Blair]

Why should we allow the lgbt community to donate blood when it's been proven that the disease risk is just too high? I cannot in good conscience support this bill even with the right of a victim to sue.

Well that's actually incorrect- it's not the LGBT community but rather 'Men who have sex with Men'

[NeverAgain]

Why should we allow the lgbt community to donate blood when it's been proven that the disease risk is just too high? I cannot in good conscience support this bill even with the right of a victim to sue.

Well that's actually incorrect- it's not the LGBT community but rather 'Men who have sex with Men'

Quite true. While it is higher among Gay Men, I don't see how in good conscience someone cannot support letting us give blood if we are tested for STIs and are proved to be safe from them. It is the height of lunacy for me.

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Why should we allow the lgbt community to donate blood when it's been proven that the disease risk is just too high? I cannot in good conscience support this bill even with the right of a victim to sue.

Well that's actually incorrect- it's not the LGBT community but rather 'Men who have sex with Men'

Quite true. While it is higher among Gay Men, I don't see how in good conscience someone cannot support letting us give blood if we are tested for STIs and are proved to be safe from them. It is the height of lunacy for me.

It's useless debating JCL; he'll just reply to you with some long rant about the 'rainbow jihad'.

[tmthforu94]

The amendment is adopted as friendly.

Senators, a vote is now open on the following bill. Please vote AYE, NAY or ABSTAIN.

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Aye

[Goldwater]

AYE

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Aye

[Prince of Salem]

Aye

[Pingvin]

Aye

[Blair]

aye

[tmthforu94]

This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Why should we allow the lgbt community to donate blood when it's been proven that the disease risk is just too high? I cannot in good conscience support this bill even with the right of a victim to sue.

Well that's actually incorrect- it's not the LGBT community but rather 'Men who have sex with Men'

Quite true. While it is higher among Gay Men, I don't see how in good conscience someone cannot support letting us give blood if we are tested for STIs and are proved to be safe from them. It is the height of lunacy for me.

It's useless debating JCL; he'll just reply to you with some long rant about the 'rainbow jihad'.

Seriously, it's sad you think low of me because I don't think gay men shouldn't donate blood on the basis of scientific fact that the risk of disease is too high and it has been proven as such. It's a matter of safety not hate.