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« on: July 16, 2016, 12:37:47 am »

New Poll: Virginia President by Hampton University on 2016-07-10

Summary: D: 39%, R: 39%, U: 22%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 12:49:57 am »

Those undecideds.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 12:51:26 am »


That's not surprising:

Voters have to choose between a total trainwreck (Hillary) and a racist fu**er (Trump) and the poll does not offer 3rd party choices.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2016, 02:26:11 am »


That's not surprising:

Voters have to choose between a total trainwreck (Hillary) and a racist fu**er (Trump) and the poll does not offer 3rd party choices.

Don't be a salty Tender. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2016, 02:35:30 am »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2016, 06:24:22 am »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.
What do you mean by "trying". They rang randomly in different counties. Or do you mean, that they should weight the responses to make crosstabs look more realistic?
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2016, 06:29:36 am »

Their last poll showed Clinton +9 back in February.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2016, 06:31:00 am »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

54% men and its tied!?

Safe D. Virginia is solid blue.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2016, 06:58:49 am »

I'm not bothering with any polls until a week or so after the Dem convention finishes.
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2016, 09:15:45 am »

Hampton also had Warner up 25 points over Gillespie, but every pollster was was off in that one.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2016, 09:28:29 am »

Why is it an Atlas tradition to try to "unskew" every poll that has a Republican doing relatively well, but to mock anyone who questions a poll that has Democrats doing relatively well?  Of course there will always be outliers on both sides, but sometimes outliers can be the truth, especially in this day of "herding".
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2016, 10:07:42 am »

Tie or leader with less than 40%? Worthless even if valid.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2016, 10:50:08 am »

Interesting result. However, it is an outlier and only has a B grade (plus, it's also not very predictive) on FiveThirtyEight, while Marist and Fox both have A's. The Marist poll that has Clinton up seven also has a larger sample size. And it does seem to be oversampling men.

However, I wouldn't throw it out. Just put it in the average. It's only July.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2016, 10:56:26 am »

Tie or leader with less than 40%? Worthless even if valid.

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Look at all the undecided. Because the leader has under 40%  my system calls this a tie.

So why do I call it a tie? Because nobody is close to winning.

In 2008 I saw polls of Tennessee in which Barack Obama led John McCain 39-37% or something to that effect.

Maybe I would do better with a map that distinguishes 45% and a lead from 43% and a lead. Maybe I could 'yellow' the reds to orange and the 'blues' to green. Still, in a binary race, a lead with less than 40% isn't even close to winning.

Maybe after the Conventions. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2016, 11:16:41 am »

Why is it an Atlas tradition to try to "unskew" every poll that has a Republican doing relatively well, but to mock anyone who questions a poll that has Democrats doing relatively well?  Of course there will always be outliers on both sides, but sometimes outliers can be the truth, especially in this day of "herding".

To be fair, some blue avatars do the same thing.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2016, 12:01:49 pm »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

Hey, it is 2016. A lot can happen.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2016, 01:51:23 pm »

Hard to take those crosstabs seriously. Although, if it's tied with those crosstabs, that's also a good sign.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2016, 01:55:13 pm »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

While unlikely, it's not out of question:

If males are more motivated to vote this year than women, it could produce an electorate that is overall more male than female.

For example if 51% of the population is female and they only have 55% turnout, while males (49%) have 65% turnout, you could get the electorate that the poll shows.

But yeah, that's still unlikely.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2016, 02:12:56 pm »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

While unlikely, it's not out of question:

If males are more motivated to vote this year than women, it could produce an electorate that is overall more male than female.

For example if 51% of the population is female and they only have 55% turnout, while males (49%) have 65% turnout, you could get the electorate that the poll shows.

But yeah, that's still unlikely.

With Trump and Pence, women will be motivated to vote. Especially black and latina women. I actually think Colorado and Virginia are lost causes for Trump. He needs Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa, etc...I don't think he gets it, but that's where he should be focusing.
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2016, 03:56:26 pm »
« Edited: July 17, 2016, 06:06:24 am by pbrower2a »

Why is it an Atlas tradition to try to "unskew" every poll that has a Republican doing relatively well, but to mock anyone who questions a poll that has Democrats doing relatively well?  Of course there will always be outliers on both sides, but sometimes outliers can be the truth, especially in this day of "herding".

As one of the most-likely accused...

1. Some pollsters are really awful. (These folks had Obama winning Missouri in 2012... ha, ha, ha!) Is it any surprise that I distrust outliers?

When one starts seeing the same outliers, then maybe something has changed.

2. I am as likely to go along with the common wisdom. In 2008 I could hardly believe that Barack Obama had a chance to win Virginia, a state that had gone for every Republican nominee had won after 1948 except for the LBJ landslide. The only former Confederate state that went for Ford in 1976 and a state that was going to go for Bill Clinton (apparently a good match for Clinton in culture) in 1992 or 1996, it was definitely not going to go to the most blatant d@mnyankee Democrat since George McGovern in a close election.

I changed my tune on Virginia once just about every poll showed Obama leading in Virginia.

Heck, as the 1992 election came nigh, I was extremely certain that George Herbert Walker Bush would be re-elected because Bill Clinton wasn't going to win Texas, a state that Democrats had not lost in a winning election -- ever. In 2000 I expected Al Gore to win West Virginia because West Virginia was historically the sort of state that Democrats win in elections other than 45-state blowouts for Republicans.

States trend. So if a poll of Minnesota shows Donald Trump winning Minnesota by 5% my first impression may be "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot".  But let me see other polls showing much the same, and I might recognize either a collapse of Hillary Clinton or a Republican trend in Minnesota.        

3. In the case of the infamous poll of Kansas showing a lead for Hillary Clinton, even I said that I didn't really believe it, but nothing but common sense says that this result is absurd.I dumped it as soon as a poll that made sense appeared.

Don't like a poll? Then wait for the next one.

4. Most of us can rationalize anything.
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2016, 11:18:06 pm »

Why is it an Atlas tradition to try to "unskew" every poll that has a Republican doing relatively well, but to mock anyone who questions a poll that has Democrats doing relatively well?  Of course there will always be outliers on both sides, but sometimes outliers can be the truth, especially in this day of "herding".

It's called the context. Unskewing came from assumptions the GOP had about the electorate, this is NOT unskewing, it's psephology. If the basic elements of the poll actually make no sense (as in based on history, not assuming there's a default electorate), then it's appropriate to question it. Considering dodgy models and methodologies are the elements helping Trump and the GOP right now, best not to get too snippy.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2016, 11:41:30 pm »
« Edited: July 16, 2016, 11:51:42 pm by StatesPoll »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

54% men and its tied!?

Safe D. Virginia is solid blue.


Red Avatar snobbies can't even do simple math?

TRUMP vs Hillary  PPP Poll June 13-15,2016(Virginia)  1032 RV

TRUMP got 45%. and 40% of Women, 49% of Men. Just 9% difference.
(in virginia less gender gaps than other states)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_VA_61616.pdf

so even convert the Hampton University Poll as realistic gender ratio. it doesnt make that much diffrence.

if TRUMP got 43% of Men, 35% of Women at this Time.

54%(men) x 43% +  46%(women) x35% = 39.32%

convert the TRUMP's numbers as realistic gender ratio

53%(women) x 35% + 47%(men) x 43% = 38.76%

just 0.58% reduced. bah Tongue.  let's plus 0.58% for Hillary. Then

Original Numbers(Poll): TRUMP 39.2% > Hillary 38.8%   Spreads: TRUMP +0.4%
Fixed numbers as realistic gender ratio % : Hillary 39.38% > 38.62%  Spreads: Hillary +0.76%

soooooooooooo big diffrence. and definately 'safe D' with +0.76%ish leads.

Red avatar snobbies are dumb. they can't even do simple math.
7% overweighted men doesn't mean TRUMP gets 7% more than real.



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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2016, 11:42:44 pm »

Is grammar and punctuation that big of a challenge for you too?
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2016, 11:42:56 pm »

Ugh, he's back. I was hoping he was banned.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2016, 11:57:25 pm »

Honestly, looking at the crosstabs, they weren't even trying with this poll. Equal party ID and 54% men. That's right. 2012 exit polls had it at 53% women to 47% men, but the great pollsters at Hampton University have discovered that 14% of Virginia's women have changed sexes in the last 4 years.

While unlikely, it's not out of question:

If males are more motivated to vote this year than women, it could produce an electorate that is overall more male than female.

For example if 51% of the population is female and they only have 55% turnout, while males (49%) have 65% turnout, you could get the electorate that the poll shows.

But yeah, that's still unlikely.

With Trump and Pence, women will be motivated to vote. Especially black and latina women. I actually think Colorado and Virginia are lost causes for Trump. He needs Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa, etc...I don't think he gets it, but that's where he should be focusing.
I remain amazed at how some on here think that Virginia has so radically shifted that it is no longer the same very, very slightly leaning Republican bellwether state that it was in the past three or four elections.

Even if it slightly skews Democrat this cycle, it's not skewing by 7%, no matter how much red and faux blue avatars hate Trump.
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