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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2019, 11:39:09 am »

This thread looks really bad on a lot of Atlas Democrats in hindsight.

I just wish they would learn from their mistakes for once. So many people who thought Elliott would vote for Hillary then started insisting 2016 trends would not apply to 2018, and are now insisting 2016/2018 trends will not apply to 2020, lol.

I honestly have not seen one person predict that 2020 wouldn't be similar flavor-wise to 2016/2018 (though, I admit, I do try to avoid our trashier elections-based subforums).  I have seen people predict that post-Trump, we won't see such a strong division on the exact same factors that currently divide the country, but that is hardly the same.

Unless you completely disregard 2016/2018 trends there is no reason to believe that Ohio is more likely to flip than Arizona or Georgia. Yet many of our posters unironically believe this.

An 11 point gap in the 2012 result means a lot more than a 3 point gap in the 2016 result regarding Ohio and Georgia.
In 2012,Obama won Elliot County and lost Gwinnett County by double digits. as I've said before, what happened in 2012 isn't really relevant to what will happen in 2020.

Yeah, Atlas really needs to understand this
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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2019, 12:39:55 pm »

This thread looks really bad on a lot of Atlas Democrats in hindsight.

I just wish they would learn from their mistakes for once. So many people who thought Elliott would vote for Hillary then started insisting 2016 trends would not apply to 2018, and are now insisting 2016/2018 trends will not apply to 2020, lol.

I honestly have not seen one person predict that 2020 wouldn't be similar flavor-wise to 2016/2018 (though, I admit, I do try to avoid our trashier elections-based subforums).  I have seen people predict that post-Trump, we won't see such a strong division on the exact same factors that currently divide the country, but that is hardly the same.

Unless you completely disregard 2016/2018 trends there is no reason to believe that Ohio is more likely to flip than Arizona or Georgia. Yet many of our posters unironically believe this.

An 11 point gap in the 2012 result means a lot more than a 3 point gap in the 2016 result regarding Ohio and Georgia.
In 2012,Obama won Elliot County and lost Gwinnett County by double digits. as I've said before, what happened in 2012 isn't really relevant to what will happen in 2020.

I never said that a 50 point gap in the 2016 result meant less than a 12 point gap in the 2012 result. Of course the 50 point gap in the 2016 result means far more in this case.
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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2019, 09:22:44 pm »

Funny, funny, until eventually you start losing formerly democratic counties in swing states, then I will really laugh.
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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2019, 10:36:47 pm »

Funny, funny, until eventually you start losing formerly democratic counties in swing states, then I will really laugh.

Huh? That's been happening for quite some time...
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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2019, 09:50:41 am »

Something to note is that the 2012 to 2016 swing was a result of almost as many Nonvoter 2012 to Trump 2016 voters (428) as Obama 2012 to Trump 2016 voters (446).
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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2019, 11:05:37 am »

Funny, funny, until eventually you start losing formerly democratic counties in swing states, then I will really laugh.

Those formerly Democratic counties in swing states that are being lost are almost all rural and insignificant, and in most cases the Democrats can make up for this by urban/suburban areas, which are much more populous, swinging to the left.
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« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2019, 01:31:52 pm »

Funny, funny, until eventually you start losing formerly democratic counties in swing states, then I will really laugh.

Those formerly Democratic counties in swing states that are being lost are almost all rural and insignificant, and in most cases the Democrats can make up for this by urban/suburban areas, which are much more populous, swinging to the left.

That's no excuse.
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« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2019, 02:25:27 pm »

Funny, funny, until eventually you start losing formerly democratic counties in swing states, then I will really laugh.

Those formerly Democratic counties in swing states that are being lost are almost all rural and insignificant, and in most cases the Democrats can make up for this by urban/suburban areas, which are much more populous, swinging to the left.

That's no excuse.

That's as ridiculous as saying that Republicans have no excuse in losing DuPage County, IL; Orange County, CA; Fort Bend County, TX; or Cobb & Gwinnett Counties, GA.  Next time, Riley County, KS--which has literally never voted Democratic in a presidential election before--could easily flip.  Voting patterns shift.
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