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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2016, 10:45:50 am »

This is how in 1972 George McGovern actually won the popular (as well as electoral) vote:
And this is how in 1984 Walter Mondale won the popular (but losing the electoral) vote:


You're comparing two states with 48 states. Use common sense to find the error in that comparison.

Umm it's clearly five states and one federal district...

Gosh.
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2016, 10:47:17 am »

this thread is dumb
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2016, 11:06:00 am »

If you took Maricopa County out of Arizona, Arizona would have long been a swing state due to the Pima County Democratic Machine!!

No, seriously.. The Republican Party often loves to bring up the land area they won. The thing is, each individual in Cook County, Illinois has the same vote weight as an individual in the boonies.

Geography is a lame argument in electoral politics, other then bragging rights. Almost like a party claiming a majority of governorships. That is simply bragging rights.
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2016, 11:32:15 am »

If you took Maricopa County out of Arizona, Arizona would have long been a swing state due to the Pima County Democratic Machine!!

No, seriously.. The Republican Party often loves to bring up the land area they won. The thing is, each individual in Cook County, Illinois has the same vote weight as an individual in the boonies.

Geography is a lame argument in electoral politics, other then bragging rights. Almost like a party claiming a majority of governorships. That is simply bragging rights.


Except the country is, in truth, a coalition of individual states; and we use the electoral college, not the popular vote, to determine presidents. Hence, geography does matter. One vote in NYC or Chicago must mean less than one vote in Idaho or Nebraska; otherwise, residents in densely-populated urban areas are oppressing residents in sparsely-populated rural areas.
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2016, 11:46:39 am »

If you took Maricopa County out of Arizona, Arizona would have long been a swing state due to the Pima County Democratic Machine!!

No, seriously.. The Republican Party often loves to bring up the land area they won. The thing is, each individual in Cook County, Illinois has the same vote weight as an individual in the boonies.

Geography is a lame argument in electoral politics, other then bragging rights. Almost like a party claiming a majority of governorships. That is simply bragging rights.


Except the country is, in truth, a coalition of individual states; and we use the electoral college, not the popular vote, to determine presidents. Hence, geography does matter. One vote in NYC or Chicago must mean less than one vote in Idaho or Nebraska; otherwise, residents in densely-populated urban areas are oppressing residents in sparsely-populated rural areas.

The electoral college was a system that worked back in the day when the general public was not well versed with politics. Hence, why the constitution does not even require that states follow the popular vote. However, many states do have laws mandating that.

If Republicans are using it for electoral benefit, they should remember that they do control several mega counties (Maricopa, AZ; Utah, UT; St Charles, MO for examples).

Particularly for down ballot offices, I really hope you would not support using an electoral college system to elect a governor for instance.

I am very big on "one person, one vote", with the exception of being open to some population deviations on state legislative districts for communities of interest.

The only modern day advantage to the electoral college I see is that, in a close election, recounts would be a massive headache if you had to recount the entire country.
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2016, 11:50:42 am »

It's an election, you dingbat.  Not a game of friggin Risk.
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2016, 11:53:19 am »

So, Redban, what happens if you take away Texas as well and look at 47 states?
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2016, 11:55:26 am »

So, Redban, what happens if you take away Texas as well and look at 47 states?

lol.

I know its controversial,  but i think one person, one vote must stand.

Yes is is true that Romney narrowly won the popular vote without New York or California. But they are still part of the United States. And the electoral college did not save Romney, anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2016, 12:44:42 pm »

So, Redban, what happens if you take away Texas as well and look at 47 states?

Romney loses the popular vote by 1.2 million, or 50.6% to 49.4% --- still a narrow margin.
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2016, 01:20:37 pm »

Well you're just plain wrong. The results are here on this site.
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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2016, 11:47:29 am »

If you took Maricopa County out of Arizona, Arizona would have long been a swing state due to the Pima County Democratic Machine!!

No, seriously.. The Republican Party often loves to bring up the land area they won. The thing is, each individual in Cook County, Illinois has the same vote weight as an individual in the boonies.

Geography is a lame argument in electoral politics, other then bragging rights. Almost like a party claiming a majority of governorships. That is simply bragging rights.


Except the country is, in truth, a coalition of individual states; and we use the electoral college, not the popular vote, to determine presidents. Hence, geography does matter. One vote in NYC or Chicago must mean less than one vote in Idaho or Nebraska; otherwise, residents in densely-populated urban areas are oppressing residents in sparsely-populated rural areas.

I've never really got the point of this logic. After all there are lots of sparsely populated areas of large states that don't get the same protections of say the Dakotas or whatever. Plus, surely it's the senate job to represent States, not POTuS'?
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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2016, 01:12:46 am »

And if California and New York went Republican, Romney would've won the electoral college with 290 votes.  A difference of just two states!  Talk about close!
Romney isn't a good fit for California though. I mean even if "Moderate Mitt" showed up in 2012 he still would have lost the state.
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