When will Jewish voters leave the Democratic Party en masse?

[Heisenberg]

The GOP had been making in roads the last few cycles w/ Jews, but Trump is going to cause a massive setback for us, for sure.

That is very true. Good analysis Sunrise and LLR. While we're discussing this, are there any other Jewish Republican House candidates this year other than Zeldin (NY-01) and Kustoff (TN-08)? I'm curious as to whether or not the number of Republican Jews in Congress goes up in the coming years/decades.

[LLR]

The GOP had been making in roads the last few cycles w/ Jews, but Trump is going to cause a massive setback for us, for sure.

That is very true. Good analysis Sunrise and LLR. While we're discussing this, are there any other Jewish Republican House candidates this year other than Zeldin (NY-01) and Kustoff (TN-08)? I'm curious as to whether or not the number of Republican Jews in Congress goes up in the coming years/decades.

Probably some in NYC but they are mostly hopeless

[SATW]

Did not know Kustoff was Jewish lol (I mean, the name kind of gives it away but I never thought about it. I had friends on other campaigns in that district so I just never paid Kustoff much attention).

Also, LLR is right. Whatever few NYC Jewish Repubs are considering runs for office are better off going into party politics or lobbying or something else. There's not a lot of opportunities out there in NYC/Long Island right now for them. As a Jewish Republican, I'd prefer 'em there to help build up Jewish outreach.


Steve Israel's seat was a possibility, but no Jewish Repub ran to my knowledge.
I've met the GOP Nominee (He's Jewish; Phil Rosenthal) running against Jerry Nadler in the 10th district, but he won't win.

In NJ it's not easy either. Dick Zimmer was the last prominent Jewish Repub I can remember. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach ran for congress in 2012 in NJ but lost big.

In South Florida, it's been difficult as well. Ellyn Setnor Bogdanoff was a State Sen and State Rep but she lost in 2012. Adam Hasner was Rubio's Maj. Leader during his Speakership but Hasner's career seemed to stall when he lost a race for congress. Can't think of any Jewish Repubs in Maryland.

Josh Mandel in OH is Jewish.

I don't much about the West Coast Jewish Community so I'm kind of clueless about Jewish politics out there.

[SATW]

Eric Greitens is Jewish, the GOP nominee for gov of MO.

[hopper]

I don't think Jewish Voters will leave the Democrat Party for at least 20 maybe 25 years. I don't see Jewish People swinging hard to vote majority Republican anytime soon.

[uti2]

I really don't think that Israel is that big of an issue for many American Jews other then those who maybe have family ties to the country. It's tough for me to see American Jews trending towards the GOP given that it's tough to see them moving away from Trumpism in the future and I really can't see a Ted Cruz type winning much more then 20% max of the Jewish vote. I also don't think Jewish millennials are politically all that different from the rest of their generation.

They're trending towards the GOP because the Democratic Party wants Palestinian voters. How can they sit by and watch Palestinians get access to the platform?

Because many Jews support an independent Palestine.

As long as Hillary's Democratic Party continues to run the program and platform, then LLR's comment is 100% true. She's relatively pro-Israel and pro-two state solution, which is a good balance for most American Jews.

However, If Bernie's nutso supporters who burned Israeli flags/snubbed Jewish support for BLM become a plurality, or a majority, than there will be a fracturing in the Jewish vote, I think.

Reality is that Bernie was an aberration in terms of his FP, even bernie-type dems who may be fairly left economically, are still relatively hawkish like Warren, Gabbard, etc.

[SATW]

I really don't think that Israel is that big of an issue for many American Jews other then those who maybe have family ties to the country. It's tough for me to see American Jews trending towards the GOP given that it's tough to see them moving away from Trumpism in the future and I really can't see a Ted Cruz type winning much more then 20% max of the Jewish vote. I also don't think Jewish millennials are politically all that different from the rest of their generation.

They're trending towards the GOP because the Democratic Party wants Palestinian voters. How can they sit by and watch Palestinians get access to the platform?

Because many Jews support an independent Palestine.

As long as Hillary's Democratic Party continues to run the program and platform, then LLR's comment is 100% true. She's relatively pro-Israel and pro-two state solution, which is a good balance for most American Jews.

However, If Bernie's nutso supporters who burned Israeli flags/snubbed Jewish support for BLM become a plurality, or a majority, than there will be a fracturing in the Jewish vote, I think.

Reality is that Bernie was an aberration in terms of his FP, even bernie-type dems who may be fairly left economically, are still relatively hawkish like Warren, Gabbard, etc.

Agreed.

[Sedona]

I really don't think that Israel is that big of an issue for many American Jews other then those who maybe have family ties to the country. It's tough for me to see American Jews trending towards the GOP given that it's tough to see them moving away from Trumpism in the future and I really can't see a Ted Cruz type winning much more then 20% max of the Jewish vote. I also don't think Jewish millennials are politically all that different from the rest of their generation.

They're trending towards the GOP because the Democratic Party wants Palestinian voters. How can they sit by and watch Palestinians get access to the platform?

Because many Jews support an independent Palestine.

As long as Hillary's Democratic Party continues to run the program and platform, then LLR's comment is 100% true. She's relatively pro-Israel and pro-two state solution, which is a good balance for most American Jews.

However, If Bernie's nutso supporters who burned Israeli flags/snubbed Jewish support for BLM become a plurality, or a majority, than there will be a fracturing in the Jewish vote, I think.

Reality is that Bernie was an aberration in terms of his FP, even bernie-type dems who may be fairly left economically, are still relatively hawkish like Warren, Gabbard, etc.

I'd agree with that.  Despite supporting Sanders in the primary, I'm probably closer to Clinton on foreign policy.  The same can be said about a lot of the Sanders supporters I know.

[tallguy23]

When they fully "integrate" and become culturally identical to white people.

But for real, the GOP needs to stop being so anti-intellectual. Jews are one of the most educated groups in the country and over 50% are secular.

[SATW]

When they fully "integrate" and become culturally identical to white people.

But for real, the GOP needs to stop being so anti-intellectual. Jews are one of the most educated groups in the country and over 50% are secular.

Many Orthodox Jews and Hasidim are very well-educated and a good amount vote Republican. It is certainly more about secularism v. religiosity, I think.

But even in that topic...it's not black and white.

 Traditional, yet also nonreligious, Jews from the former Soviet Union tend to vote Republican while a lot of Modern Orthodox/"Observant" Jews (Joe Lieberman, essentially fits this category) vote Democrat.

[SATW]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanders-trump-russians/477045/

Article about Former USSR/Russian Jewish voting patterns in 2016 (TL;DR version: they hate bernie, love trump).

[Sbane]

I think there will be a continued drift towards Republicans, assuming Trumpism doesn't become dominant in the Republican party going forward. Jewish people will swing to Hillary in this election. That on you can take to the bank. Long term, liberals being less pro-Israel and more fair minded regarding the Middle East issue could cause a move towards Republicans, though even that won't lead to Republicans actually winning the Jewish vote.

[Breton Racer]

They won't, socially American Jews are quite liberal, and economically they are very liberal.

[SATW]

They won't, socially American Jews are quite liberal, and economically they are very liberal.

You are mixing it around. Jews are more liberal on social issues than economics. I'd say many American Jews are anywhere from pragmatic centrists to neoliberals/Third-Wayers on economic issues.

Of course, there are sizable amount economically conservative/Free Marketeer and social democratic and socialist Jews as well but neither are close to a majority.

[Suburbia]

Jewish voters should be thinking long and hard after the BDS movement, which is somewhat anti-Semitic, but not surprising that leftist groups do anti-Semitic work. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat, I'm an Independent, but some of my Jewish friends are so solidly Democratic, when they see the party catering to fringe anti-Semitic groups and radical activists.

They may leave the party if forces like Linda Sarsour have control over the foreign policy aspect of the party. Some will remain.


http://nypost.com/2016/09/08/pro-palestine-protesters-booted-from-tense-city-hearing/

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19070/why-peter-beinart-is-wrong-about-pro-bds-anti-zionist-jews-like-me

[Boston Bread]

Jewish voters should be thinking long and hard after the BDS movement, which is somewhat anti-Semitic, but not surprising that leftist groups do anti-Semitic work. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat, I'm an Independent, but some of my Jewish friends are so solidly Democratic, when they see the party catering to fringe anti-Semitic groups and radical activists.

They may leave the party if forces like Linda Sarsour have control over the foreign policy aspect of the party. Some will remain.


http://nypost.com/2016/09/08/pro-palestine-protesters-booted-from-tense-city-hearing/

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19070/why-peter-beinart-is-wrong-about-pro-bds-anti-zionist-jews-like-me

Most Democratic politicians support Israel, so a pro-Israel Jewish voter shouldn't have problems supporting say, Clinton for president, or Schumer for Senate leader.

[Figueira]

Jews in the US increasingly don't care that much about Israel.

[Suburbia]

Jews in the US increasingly don't care that much about Israel.

They should once they see the anti-Semites in the college campuses. It's clear that some leftist Democrats are too pro-Palestinian.

[SATW]

I like how people like to make assumptions about things they don't know, on both sides.

Jews do still deeply care about Israel, but they have (always) cared more about other issues, such as economic social justice and the like...these issues have always take preference to Israel and foreign policy among secular, reform and conservative Jews.

http://jcpa.org/article/the-2016-election-jews-and-their-politics/

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That being said, as the Pro-Israel community is not weakening (sorry to break it to Israel Haters like Andrew). But it is indeed changing.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/8271#.V-B5efkrLIU (Don't really agree with the overtly right-wing tone of this article, but he brings up a lot of interesting points).

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http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/262493/70-russian-jews-may-vote-republican-2016-daniel-greenfield

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And as you can see in these two  excerpts, the pipedream that there aren't some trends favoring the GOP w/i the tribe are false.

[SATW]

Jews in the US increasingly don't care that much about Israel.

They should once they see the anti-Semites in the college campuses. It's clear that some leftist Democrats are too pro-Palestinian.

So "leftist democrats" are anti-semitic for being pro-Palestinian? How could you possibly interpret support for the Palestinian people (a Semitic group) as "anti-semitism"? That makes no sense.

This is what Bronz is referring too.

http://www.wiesenthal.com/atf/cf/%7B54d385e6-f1b9-4e9f-8e94-890c3e6dd277%7D/ANTI-SEMITISM_ON_CAMPUS-A_CLEAR_AND_PRESENT_DANGER-6-12-2015.PDF

http://www.amchainitiative.org/student-voices-being-jewish-on-campus/

http://www.trincoll.edu/NewsEvents/NewsArticles/Documents/Anti-Semitism%20Report%20Final.pdf

http://observer.com/2016/07/first-half-2016-anti-semitism-skyrockets-on-u-s-college-campuses/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/anti-semitic-incidents-college-campuses-rise-adl-n596966

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/05/why-are-oberlin-s-students-so-silent-about-anti-semitism.html

Of course one can be Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestinian. Ideally this is how things should be, but its not.

Pro-Israel students, and Jewish students in general, on campus are facing brutal antisemitism at top public and private universities in North America and Europe.

[Intell]

Jews in the US increasingly don't care that much about Israel.

They should once they see the anti-Semites in the college campuses. It's clear that some leftist Democrats are too pro-Palestinian.

So "leftist democrats" are anti-semitic for being pro-Palestinian? How could you possibly interpret support for the Palestinian people (a Semitic group) as "anti-semitism"? That makes no sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI2V0WhQS2E

I think he means this. Bernie Sanders could probably be Ed Millibrand lite on the Jewish Vote, but he would never lose it, may a dip in support. If someone like Jill Stein was nominee though, oh boy, or maybe a lot of aspects of BLM (and aspects of black nationalism), being considered in the democratic party, or a nominee anti-isreal, could lose the Jewish Vote. Though (thankfully) this won't be happening any time soon, and Jewish voters will vote for the left, as it ought to be (IMO).

 It would be interesting which countries, jews vote for the left, and which countries they vote for the right and if the right, how recent has the change been?

[King of Kensington]

Not with Trump at the helm.  Romney did relatively respectively among Jewish voters at around 30% or so.  Trump could get as little as half that.

[DavidB.]

Not with Trump at the helm.  Romney did relatively respectively among Jewish voters at around 30% or so.  Trump could get as little as half that.

Yeah, I expect it to be around 80-20 for Hillary (two-way), perhaps even more.

[hopper]

Not with Trump at the helm.  Romney did relatively respectively among Jewish voters at around 30% or so.  Trump could get as little as half that.

Yeah, I expect it to be around 80-20 for Hillary (two-way), perhaps even more.

75-25 Hillary sounds about right.

[Suburbia]

Some Jewish voters are leaving the Democratic Party by now. This action in the Univ. of Wisconsin shows. Some black voters do not like Jewish Americans, just like some white voters don't like Jewish Americans. It is sad, but it is a fact. Episodes like Crown Heights 1991 show sadly. If you don't know of Crown Heights, research it at your library and go on YouTube and check it out. 

http://www.jta.org/2017/04/27/news-opinion/united-states/university-of-wisconsin-student-government-passes-divestment-resolution

Jewish voters should be trending towards other political parties, but after the December 2016 U.N. resolution on Israel, some Jewish Democrats may be leaving.