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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2016, 05:13:55 pm »

15 might be a solid lead if it was 54-39, but 39-24 with well over a third of the electorate either still undecided or pulling the third-party lever, and a solid chunk of the 39% having a negative view of that candidate, cannot by any means be called Safe. "Battleground Utah" is still a thing.

15% is a pretty commanding lead. Not to say that it couldn't get closer, but I think it's over for now. Utah will still be a very fascinating state this November though. It does not reflect well on Trump though. Granted Romney was a perfect fit for Utah, but polling over 30% lower than Romney is a testament to how bad of a candidate Trump is for Utah. The third party share is staggering though. 25% saying that they'll vote for a smattering of candidates. Wow. I doubt that the total on Election Day will be quite that high, but it will still probably be 20% or so. Glad to see Stein at 1%.

Not sure about McMuffin to be honest. I'm rather surprised to see him polling this high. He definitely puts the state out of reach for Johnson. If McMuffin gets any kind of airtime or attention, he could get 10% on Election Day.

"It's over for now" is a tad self-contradictory, no?

Anyway, comparing Trump to Romney here might be a tad unfair, but McCain got 62% here, and Bush '04 got 72%. A Trump result of >30, win or not, would still be a hilarious swing.

The weird thing is that Clinton is opening a campaign office in SLC today which her campaign is touting heavily as an indication that Utah is competitive. They wouldn't just open a campaign office in blood red Utah to defeat Mia Love, so their internal polls are indicating a narrower margin than what PPP is saying. Remember that Robby Mook was very frugal during the primary so he's not opening any campaign offices just to waste time

I would also imagine that there is a significant amount of "soft Trump" support within that 39% as well, although I didn't see PPP ask those questions.
On other hand, it's 53% vs 33% head-to-head.
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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2016, 05:16:18 pm »

15 might be a solid lead if it was 54-39, but 39-24 with well over a third of the electorate either still undecided or pulling the third-party lever, and a solid chunk of the 39% having a negative view of that candidate, cannot by any means be called Safe. "Battleground Utah" is still a thing.

15% is a pretty commanding lead. Not to say that it couldn't get closer, but I think it's over for now. Utah will still be a very fascinating state this November though. It does not reflect well on Trump though. Granted Romney was a perfect fit for Utah, but polling over 30% lower than Romney is a testament to how bad of a candidate Trump is for Utah. The third party share is staggering though. 25% saying that they'll vote for a smattering of candidates. Wow. I doubt that the total on Election Day will be quite that high, but it will still probably be 20% or so. Glad to see Stein at 1%.

Not sure about McMuffin to be honest. I'm rather surprised to see him polling this high. He definitely puts the state out of reach for Johnson. If McMuffin gets any kind of airtime or attention, he could get 10% on Election Day.

"It's over for now" is a tad self-contradictory, no?

Anyway, comparing Trump to Romney here might be a tad unfair, but McCain got 62% here, and Bush '04 got 72%. A Trump result of >30, win or not, would still be a hilarious swing.

Not sure where the post went, but I'll reply anyways.

I mean that barring anything like an October surprise, I think that Utah is pretty safe for Trump. His campaign is still shambling on despite all of his comments. Unless he literally says that Mormons aren't Christians, I don't think that he'll go much lower, certainly not low enough to throw away a 15 point lead.

I would like to see how soft or hard Trump's support is as NOVA Green pointed out. I'll grant that not having that info could make it hard to draw the best conclusions.
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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2016, 06:43:39 pm »

15 might be a solid lead if it was 54-39, but 39-24 with well over a third of the electorate either still undecided or pulling the third-party lever, and a solid chunk of the 39% having a negative view of that candidate, cannot by any means be called Safe. "Battleground Utah" is still a thing.

15% is a pretty commanding lead. Not to say that it couldn't get closer, but I think it's over for now. Utah will still be a very fascinating state this November though. It does not reflect well on Trump though. Granted Romney was a perfect fit for Utah, but polling over 30% lower than Romney is a testament to how bad of a candidate Trump is for Utah. The third party share is staggering though. 25% saying that they'll vote for a smattering of candidates. Wow. I doubt that the total on Election Day will be quite that high, but it will still probably be 20% or so. Glad to see Stein at 1%.

Not sure about McMuffin to be honest. I'm rather surprised to see him polling this high. He definitely puts the state out of reach for Johnson. If McMuffin gets any kind of airtime or attention, he could get 10% on Election Day.

"It's over for now" is a tad self-contradictory, no?

Anyway, comparing Trump to Romney here might be a tad unfair, but McCain got 62% here, and Bush '04 got 72%. A Trump result of >30, win or not, would still be a hilarious swing.

Not sure where the post went, but I'll reply anyways.

I mean that barring anything like an October surprise, I think that Utah is pretty safe for Trump. His campaign is still shambling on despite all of his comments. Unless he literally says that Mormons aren't Christians, I don't think that he'll go much lower, certainly not low enough to throw away a 15 point lead.

I would like to see how soft or hard Trump's support is as NOVA Green pointed out. I'll grant that not having that info could make it hard to draw the best conclusions.

At this point it does appear that enough Mormons are putting clothespins on their noses to say they will support an individual that many find extremely offensive and unlikable in the extreme....

This is one state where I don't think that 3rd party support will fade away dramatically come election day, and additionally there is still a significant amount of Millennials (From all religious backgrounds and belief structures) that aren't enthused about Hillary that represent a significant slice of undecided/ 3rd Party candidates.

NOT saying Utah is in play,  but Obama did garner 34% in '08 and it is not unreasonable to suspect that Hillary might well be able to match these numbers come November, considering that Trump is the absolutely most unpopular Republican candidate over the past 40 years in the state.

Now, the key question is do we beg PPP for a poll of Idaho, where 25% of the population is Mormon to see if this race is significantly tighter than expected?

Ada County is obviously a key area accounting for 30% of the statewide vote that went (54-42 Romney in '12) and (52-45 McCain in '08) and 15% of the population is LDS.

Boise is also a fast-growing population area with a significant influx of out-of-state migrants working in Tech sector for companies like HP and Micron, as well as other software and hardware companies.

SE-ID is where the overwhelmingly Republican margins come from in the state, that are heavily Mormon counties, where we could suspect a significant defection towards 3rd Party candidates.

Northern Idaho has a strong progressive and natural resource based history, but just like many parts of Southern Oregon has tilted heavily Republican over recent years (Although Dukakis did very well in '88).

So if we are seeing these number of Republican Party defections in Utah, does it mean that Idaho could well swing heavily Democratic this year as well?



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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2016, 06:45:59 pm »

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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2016, 06:46:56 pm »

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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2016, 07:36:12 pm »

They wouldn't have opened a campaign office for no reason. I bet they're internals show it's closer than this.

Maybe the office is to drive turnout, and try to take down Mia Love?
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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2016, 07:49:36 pm »

They wouldn't have opened a campaign office for no reason. I bet they're internals show it's closer than this.

Maybe the office is to drive turnout, and try to take down Mia Love?

Or try to increase the base and registration for 2018 or 2020?

Thinking maybe Bernie needs to do a swing of Mountain West states (UT,ID, MT, and WY) and maybe even the Dakotas....
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2016, 09:23:38 pm »

Or try to increase the base and registration for 2018 or 2020?

In Utah? LMAO

Ok... maybe not then, but it is one of the youngest states in the country, and whatever anti-Mormon bigots want to post, this is definitely a state that can and will swing dramatically unless the Republican Party gets its c**p together and learns how to communicate to the younger voters of the country.
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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2016, 03:51:57 pm »

LOL at red avatars being sad and blue avatars celebrating that Trump is winning by 15 points...in a state Romney won by 50 points.
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« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2016, 05:18:21 am »

15 might be a solid lead if it was 54-39, but 39-24 with well over a third of the electorate either still undecided or pulling the third-party lever, and a solid chunk of the 39% having a negative view of that candidate, cannot by any means be called Safe. "Battleground Utah" is still a thing.

15% is a pretty commanding lead. Not to say that it couldn't get closer, but I think it's over for now. Utah will still be a very fascinating state this November though. It does not reflect well on Trump though. Granted Romney was a perfect fit for Utah, but polling over 30% lower than Romney is a testament to how bad of a candidate Trump is for Utah. The third party share is staggering though. 25% saying that they'll vote for a smattering of candidates. Wow. I doubt that the total on Election Day will be quite that high, but it will still probably be 20% or so. Glad to see Stein at 1%.

Not sure about McMuffin to be honest. I'm rather surprised to see him polling this high. He definitely puts the state out of reach for Johnson. If McMuffin gets any kind of airtime or attention, he could get 10% on Election Day.

"It's over for now" is a tad self-contradictory, no?

Anyway, comparing Trump to Romney here might be a tad unfair, but McCain got 62% here, and Bush '04 got 72%. A Trump result of >30, win or not, would still be a hilarious swing.

The weird thing is that Clinton is opening a campaign office in SLC today which her campaign is touting heavily as an indication that Utah is competitive. They wouldn't just open a campaign office in blood red Utah to defeat Mia Love, so their internal polls are indicating a narrower margin than what PPP is saying. Remember that Robby Mook was very frugal during the primary so he's not opening any campaign offices just to waste time

At this point, downballot considerations should be the main concern for the Clinton campaign, so Mia Love likely factored into the decision.
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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2016, 03:33:11 am »

15 might be a solid lead if it was 54-39, but 39-24 with well over a third of the electorate either still undecided or pulling the third-party lever, and a solid chunk of the 39% having a negative view of that candidate, cannot by any means be called Safe. "Battleground Utah" is still a thing.

15% is a pretty commanding lead. Not to say that it couldn't get closer, but I think it's over for now. Utah will still be a very fascinating state this November though. It does not reflect well on Trump though. Granted Romney was a perfect fit for Utah, but polling over 30% lower than Romney is a testament to how bad of a candidate Trump is for Utah. The third party share is staggering though. 25% saying that they'll vote for a smattering of candidates. Wow. I doubt that the total on Election Day will be quite that high, but it will still probably be 20% or so. Glad to see Stein at 1%.

Not sure about McMuffin to be honest. I'm rather surprised to see him polling this high. He definitely puts the state out of reach for Johnson. If McMuffin gets any kind of airtime or attention, he could get 10% on Election Day.

"It's over for now" is a tad self-contradictory, no?

Anyway, comparing Trump to Romney here might be a tad unfair, but McCain got 62% here, and Bush '04 got 72%. A Trump result of >30, win or not, would still be a hilarious swing.

Not sure where the post went, but I'll reply anyways.

I mean that barring anything like an October surprise, I think that Utah is pretty safe for Trump. His campaign is still shambling on despite all of his comments. Unless he literally says that Mormons aren't Christians, I don't think that he'll go much lower, certainly not low enough to throw away a 15 point lead.

I would like to see how soft or hard Trump's support is as NOVA Green pointed out. I'll grant that not having that info could make it hard to draw the best conclusions.

At this point it does appear that enough Mormons are putting clothespins on their noses to say they will support an individual that many find extremely offensive and unlikable in the extreme....

This is one state where I don't think that 3rd party support will fade away dramatically come election day, and additionally there is still a significant amount of Millennials (From all religious backgrounds and belief structures) that aren't enthused about Hillary that represent a significant slice of undecided/ 3rd Party candidates.

NOT saying Utah is in play,  but Obama did garner 34% in '08 and it is not unreasonable to suspect that Hillary might well be able to match these numbers come November, considering that Trump is the absolutely most unpopular Republican candidate over the past 40 years in the state.

Now, the key question is do we beg PPP for a poll of Idaho, where 25% of the population is Mormon to see if this race is significantly tighter than expected?

Ada County is obviously a key area accounting for 30% of the statewide vote that went (54-42 Romney in '12) and (52-45 McCain in '08) and 15% of the population is LDS.

Boise is also a fast-growing population area with a significant influx of out-of-state migrants working in Tech sector for companies like HP and Micron, as well as other software and hardware companies.

SE-ID is where the overwhelmingly Republican margins come from in the state, that are heavily Mormon counties, where we could suspect a significant defection towards 3rd Party candidates.

Northern Idaho has a strong progressive and natural resource based history, but just like many parts of Southern Oregon has tilted heavily Republican over recent years (Although Dukakis did very well in '88).

So if we are seeing these number of Republican Party defections in Utah, does it mean that Idaho could well swing heavily Democratic this year as well?

I think that Idaho is just about the only place other than Utah that McMullin will break 1%. He is now officially on the ballot there, so that's a start.

The county that I'm most interested in is Madison County. BYU Idaho is in Rexburg, in Madison County; Romney got 93.27% there. There was one other smaller county in SE Idaho that Romney almost did better (it was 92.57% Rmoney) that could give some interesting results.

Western Idaho won't vote *that* differently than usual, I suspect. Trump won big in a lot of the smaller counties. Ada County could be interesting. Clinton could potentially take it. In fact, I think she could get a whopping 4 counties. Ada, Teton, Blaine, and Latah.

As you mention with northern Idaho, similar areas have been trending Republican and Trump seems like a good fit for those places (see West Virginia).

Overall, Idaho will likely be a lot closer than usual, but it will still go for Trump. If I had to guess results, I'd say: Trump 57, Clinton 31, Johnson 8, McMullin 2, Stein 1, others 1

Like Utah, some of the smaller more rural Eastern (especially SE) counties could have some strange results. I wouldn't be extremely surprised if someone other than Trump or Clinton won a county in that part of the state.
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« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2016, 10:00:42 am »

12/84 with Mormons for Lyin' Crooked Hillary! If only the rest of the country woke up.

No, Mormons are on the losing side politically more often than not for a reason. If they want to hitch themselves to Trump's wagon then it's just par for the course.
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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2016, 05:09:05 pm »

Trump still not breaking 40 here. Wow. Terrible nominee.
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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2016, 09:41:44 am »



With a median age of 30, Utah is the youngest state in the country.

I think that's Alaska.

Nope, it is Utah. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865656719/Portrait-of-Utah-Still-young-but-growing-in-diversity.html?pg=all

The youngest state, by median age, in the country.
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