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« on: August 23, 2016, 05:54:49 pm »


Thread for this map. Stay tuned!
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 05:56:59 pm »

Great map! Grin
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 07:59:08 pm »

I will be providing research and data for this escapade as well (consider this a joint project in Tim's name Tongue)
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 08:14:13 pm »


More names...
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 08:37:24 pm »

I will be providing research and data for this escapade as well (consider this a joint project in Tim's name Tongue)
Yep.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 12:35:20 am »

Per IRC-obtained advice and suggestions:
The unnamed green state in Western NC is Boone
The darker blue state in central IL is Lincoln.
The blue state in the Great Lakes area is Gitchigumi (per Snowguy716)
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 03:19:21 am »

This looks very nice! Smiley

A couple things really bother me though:

- Why split the Bay Area? Marin County at least definitely has more ties to San Francisco than to Southern Oregon. I think a Coast/Valley divide makes a lot more sense than a North/South divide in NorCal.

- Conversely, San Bernardino County should be either in the LA-based State or in the red one.

- Western Massachusetts wouldn't be very happy to share a State with Westchester County.

- What's Baltimore gotta do with suburban/rural Eastern PA? Huh

- In some places you're creating severe population discrepancies. It's your choice if you want to avoid that or no, but personally I think it would be better to.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 06:23:43 am »

You said the borders are fixed, but you haven't said what the rationale was for the divisions. If they are fixed there is presumably a reason they are that way. I'm hoping you'll share that reason.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 08:16:13 am »

Yeah, the Bay Area split really bugs me.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 08:21:14 am »

Yeah, the Bay Area split really bugs me.
A good amount of these boundaries are exactly the way they are for no reason other than to things to look nice on paper.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 08:34:36 am »

This looks very nice! Smiley

A couple things really bother me though:

- Why split the Bay Area? Marin County at least definitely has more ties to San Francisco than to Southern Oregon. I think a Coast/Valley divide makes a lot more sense than a North/South divide in NorCal.

- Conversely, San Bernardino County should be either in the LA-based State or in the red one.

- Western Massachusetts wouldn't be very happy to share a State with Westchester County.

- What's Baltimore gotta do with suburban/rural Eastern PA? Huh

- In some places you're creating severe population discrepancies. It's your choice if you want to avoid that or no, but personally I think it would be better to.
The reason Baltimore is in Susquehanna is because the DC metro is largely its own state. I wanted to have Delmarva as well so I had no choice other than to go north; giving it its own state seemed ludicrous to me. Another factor was that many rivers have states which center on them. The Susquehanna River starts in the Chesapeake Bay. I used rivers as guides.
Similarly, Adams takes in most of the Boston metro, so western MA had to go somewhere.
I did end up splitting many metro areas. That's because I drew this without looking at Census definitions or jimrtex's county clusters. When you draw states based on shape, communities of Interest get split.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 08:38:53 am »

I'd definitely recommend you to rework some of these boundaries. What looks nice on a map isn't always what makes sense culturally or economically for an area, and I think maps get a lot better when you take that into account. There's a lot to like about your map, so I think it could become really neat with just a few tweaks.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 08:39:07 am »

You said the borders are fixed, but you haven't said what the rationale was for the divisions. If they are fixed there is presumably a reason they are that way. I'm hoping you'll share that reason.
I am not sure about them being outright fixed... These boundaries are just outright different. I did a quasi-blind map, this map is the end result.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 08:42:54 am »

I'd definitely recommend you to rework some of these boundaries. What looks nice on a map isn't always what makes sense culturally or economically for an area, and I think maps get a lot better when you take that into account. There's a lot to like about your map, so I think it could become really neat with just a few tweaks.
Thanks. You were a vital inspiration for this, so I value your input. I won't tinker all that much with my current lines, but I will look at uniting some CoI that aren't united right now.
The Bay area split is not going to be touched, fyi. My partner already did data for Oso.  He would loath having to redo it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 08:49:39 am »

I'd definitely recommend you to rework some of these boundaries. What looks nice on a map isn't always what makes sense culturally or economically for an area, and I think maps get a lot better when you take that into account. There's a lot to like about your map, so I think it could become really neat with just a few tweaks.
Thanks. You were a vital inspiration for this, so I value your input. I won't tinker all that much with my current lines, but I will look at uniting some CoI that aren't united right now.
The Bay area split is not going to be touched, fyi. My partner already did data for Oso.  He would loath having to redo it.

If you gotta fix the Bay Area, I'm fine with it. I haven't even done the demographic data for Oso yet, and that's the only part that I "loath"
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 09:02:07 am »

Glad to know I was an inspiration. Smiley

LLR, if you're trying to calculate demographic data for the new States, this website will change your life forever. Unfortunately it doesn't have election data, by for anything Census-related it's wonderful.

My advice for Western MA would be to put it in Kennebec, along with the corresponding counties in NY. You could also shift the Long Island counties to Hudson, which would help with population balance.

I think you should consolidate Oregon, Kootenai, Yellowstone and Shoshone into a single State. Same with Dakota and the State northeast to it, and with the two that cover New Mexico. By contrast, you could split up your Chicagoland State into at least three new ones, and the one covering most of Ohio + Detroit into at least two.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 09:39:31 am »

Population balance will not in an of itself be reason to change boundaries. It wasn't in real life...
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 09:58:52 am »

We could also combine Yellowstone with Dakota, or Dakota with the unnamed brown state just north. That would allow for splitting Kennebec or adding a new state in the South, or splitting the Chicagoland state in two. That could solve our Western MA problem. Columbia County needs to stay in Hudson though.
As for the Bay Area, I would accept making Oso cover all counties actually along the Bay, and Santa Clara and Santa Cruz . Secoya could then envelope Oso. Whether we do this is your call LLR.
Combining Kootenai and Oregon would be fair. If we did that we could split the mega Ohio state in two. That state is pretty disjointed. The southern parts could be their own state, They don't have anything to do with the Great Lakes anyways.
We could also reconfigure the entire boundary of Oregon and Shoshone when all is said and done.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2016, 10:13:29 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2016, 10:16:03 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
We could also do that. I really like that.
Should we stick with 50 states or are you okay going over that?
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2016, 10:17:53 am »

Glad to know I was an inspiration. Smiley
I saw your entire thread, all 20-odd pages. I was inspired.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2016, 10:25:07 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
We could also do that. I really like that.
Should we stick with 50 states or are you okay going over that?


50 is nice, because then we don't have to switch flags
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2016, 10:28:16 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
We could also do that. I really like that.
Should we stick with 50 states or are you okay going over that?


50 is nice, because then we don't have to switch flags
Ok.
There will be a Puerto Rico. The only question is, which state does it eliminate?
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2016, 11:41:45 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
We could also do that. I really like that.
Should we stick with 50 states or are you okay going over that?
50 is nice, because then we don't have to switch flags
Not a problem.



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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2016, 11:47:07 am »

Perhaps you could make Puerto Rico a state?
We could also do that. I really like that.
Should we stick with 50 states or are you okay going over that?
50 is nice, because then we don't have to switch flags
Not a problem.



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That really shouldn't have been a consideration, but I thought also that he liked the number 50.
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