MI-EPIC/MRA: Hillary up only 3 anymore

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Considering EPIC/MRA's record in Michigan, this is a hard one to dismiss.

[Comrade Funk]

Safe Clinton. But of course a Trump hack like Tender is going wild over it.

You are not in the position to use the term hack, lol.

[Heisenberg]

Safe Clinton. But of course a Trump hack like Tender is going wild over it.

LOL @Lief talking about a Trump hack.

Lief is a major dick. Nobody should take him seriously really.

Like you and your racist rants?

What annoys me more than anything are posters whose avatars do not match their views. Why does Leif (and Vox Populi for that matter) have a blue avatar when it clearly does not match his views?

Praise the Cory Gardner/John Hickenlooper bet!

So I guess he changed his avatar because he lost a bet? (I wasn't on Atlas back then, I didn't discover this site until sometime in mid-2015.)

[Lief 🗽]

Safe Clinton. But of course a Trump hack like Tender is going wild over it.

LOL @Lief talking about a Trump hack.

Lief is a major dick. Nobody should take him seriously really.

Like you and your racist rants?

What annoys me more than anything are posters whose avatars do not match their views. Why does Leif (and Vox Populi for that matter) have a blue avatar when it clearly does not match his views?

I prefer the color blue.

[tmthforu94]

Every election polls show Michigan competitive,
And in the end it's not

An EPIC/MRA poll on September 12th, 2012 showed Obama up 10 over Romney. That being said, with the way this race is going, anything can happen here. I'd say the range is a narrow Trump win to Clinton winning by 10+ points.

[windjammer]

Every election polls show Michigan competitive,
And in the end it's not

An EPIC/MRA poll on September 12th, 2012 showed Obama up 10 over Romney. That being said, with the way this race is going, anything can happen here. I'd say the range is a narrow Trump win to Clinton winning by 10+ points.

Oooooooh so maybe not all MI polls are trash in the end.

I still maintain my stance that MI is fool's gold for republicans. Every election the polls are showing this state being competitive and in the end it's not.
It's like the dumbest idea that democrats should invest millions in Rexas because it's going to become a swing state, not going to happen lol.

[NOVA Green]

I still think that Wisconsin will flip before Michigan, but this is definitely a MAJOR warning sign for Team Clinton.

Granted we knew that Trump was having some issues consolidating the Republican base in SW MI, in particular, so he was bound to see improvements in a state that hadn't really seen any recent polls, whereas we had seen the consolidation effect in other states.

That being said, the other major factor is the dropping off of Clinton supporters to Gary Johnson. What will these heavily Millennial voters actually do on election day?

[Ebsy]

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe a poll from a Michigan firm after all we've seen from them.

[mencken]

Every cycle MI does this, and every time so many people fall for it.

EPIC-MRA had Obama up 10 here at a similar point in 2012, almost exactly what he ended up getting. They had him up only 3 after the first debate, but given the national polls that may have been an accurate reflection of sentiment at the time.

In 2008 they had Obama up 1, but to be fair McCain's Hail Mary Palin pick brought the national polls to a tie for a few weeks. I think it would make sense that Obama's economic meltdown-fueled surge would have a disproportionate effect in a high unemployment state such as Michigan. EPIC's next poll a few days later had Obama up 10, about 6 points more R than the actual result.

[Erich Maria Remarque]

I still maintain my stance that MI is fool's gold for republicans. Every election the polls are showing this state being competitive and in the end it's not.

Lol, it is not [just] about Michigan. As I said, Michigan is not in vacuum. If this poll is true, WI and NH, for instance, are probably tied

[EpicHistory]

An EPIC/MRA poll in October 2012 also showed Obama +3 over Romney.  This firm is prone to wild swings and has done so already this cycle a few times.

That's not a wild swing. In October of 2012, Romney shot up in the polls after crushing Obama in the first debate. PPP found Michigan close as well at that time, for comparison. So in fact, this confirms their accuracy.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe a poll from a Michigan firm after all we've seen from them.

All of their prior polls seem to have aligned almost perfectly with the national trends and averages, so please explain how they're a bad pollster.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Should have gone with Biden, dems. Just admit it.

Seeing as how Biden didn't even run he was never an option.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Every cycle MI does this, and every time so many people fall for it.

[Buffalo Bill]

Every cycle MI does this, and every time so many people fall for it.

Sounds like AZ and GA as I pointed out.

[tmthforu94]

Every election polls show Michigan competitive,
And in the end it's not

An EPIC/MRA poll on September 12th, 2012 showed Obama up 10 over Romney. That being said, with the way this race is going, anything can happen here. I'd say the range is a narrow Trump win to Clinton winning by 10+ points.

Oooooooh so maybe not all MI polls are trash in the end.

I still maintain my stance that MI is fool's gold for republicans. Every election the polls are showing this state being competitive and in the end it's not.
It's like the dumbest idea that democrats should invest millions in Rexas because it's going to become a swing state, not going to happen lol.

I think that was true in the past. Bush, McCain and Romney all looked competitive in Michigan over the summer but Democrats "came home" in the fall and the race slipped away. It appeared that was happening this year as well, but this poll suggests this year may be different. Republicans usually aren't keeping it this close late in the season. Waiting for another poll to confirm this!

[ApatheticAustrian]

i don't think anything can be "confirmed" as long as their are as such high "unsure" rates.

maybe the best goal of the debates will be pulling those who are about ready to decide but not yet there.

[StatesPoll]

[Kempros]

We are still way too early in the race to jump to conclusions.

[Hammy]

Every cycle MI does this, and every time so many people fall for it.

Isn't this basically a Dem-state version of what happens with Georgia?

[Dr. Arch]

Every cycle MI does this, and every time so many people fall for it.

Isn't this basically a Dem-state version of what happens with Georgia?

Kinda, except Georgia actually went Dem much more recently than MI went Rep.

[PikaTROD]

What I'd really like to know about this poll is how many are undecided and how many are refused? I mean, that definitely comes into play when it's 13%.
That, and how have we reached a point where Jill Stein is getting 4%? 4% of all of America maybe, but 4% in a single state? Just saying. XD

[ApatheticAustrian]

if michigan is competetive, trump must be leading the national polls 1 or 2 points.

i don't think he is.

[Wiz in Wis]

What I'd really like to know about this poll is how many are undecided and how many are refused? I mean, that definitely comes into play when it's 13%.
That, and how have we reached a point where Jill Stein is getting 4%? 4% of all of America maybe, but 4% in a single state? Just saying. XD

On behalf of everyone freaking out about this poll... thanks for commenting on this 3 weeks late dude.

[Mallow]

What I'd really like to know about this poll is how many are undecided and how many are refused? I mean, that definitely comes into play when it's 13%.
That, and how have we reached a point where Jill Stein is getting 4%? 4% of all of America maybe, but 4% in a single state? Just saying. XD

On behalf of everyone freaking out about this poll... thanks for commenting on this 3 weeks late dude.

Was just gonna say the same thing.

[Maxwell]

yes let's keep pretending Michigan pollsters aren't terrible. Thanks.