Fox News: Trump +1/Clinton +1 in 4 way

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

Trump 46%
Clinton 45%


In 4 way

Clinton 41%
Trump 40%
Johnson 8%
Stein 3%

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15/fox-news-poll-clinton-and-trump-in-one-point-race-among-likely-voters.html

[Buffalo Bill]

Basically things are even.

[Ebsy]

Clinton +1 in the 4 way, so of course, no clarity at all!

[KingSweden]

Clinton +1 in the 4 way, so of course, no clarity at all!

Odd she's doing better here than head to head, typically 4-way cuts about two points off her margin

[100% pro-life no matter what]

I was hoping for a lead outside the margin of error.  Oh well, it's still been a pretty, pretty, pretty good polling day!

[Erich Maria Remarque]

Clinton +1 in the 4 way, so of course, no clarity at all!

Odd she's doing better here than head to head, typically 4-way cuts about two points off her margin

[Erich Maria Remarque]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15/fox-news-poll-clinton-and-trump-in-one-point-race-among-likely-voters.html

[Mr. Morden]

Full poll:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/09/15/fox-news-poll-sept-15-2016/

[amdcpus]

Clinton leads by 4 in thr RV four-way


Clinton 41%
Trump 37%
Johnson 9%
Stein 4%

[Erich Maria Remarque]

For unskwers

LV

RV

[Buffalo Bill]

LV is what matters at this point.

[Eraserhead]

Clinton +1 in the 4 way, so of course, no clarity at all!

Odd she's doing better here than head to head, typically 4-way cuts about two points off her margin

MOE.

[NOVA Green]

It's official...

At this point we're looking a race which is a virtual tossup.

Trump has consolidated the Republican base, which has been the major driver in his recent performance in both national and state polls.

Clinton has lost support to 3rd Party candidates and undecideds/persuadables...

Her strategy over the past four weeks of trying to hammer Trump as an extremist, and try to pander to Republican voters that don't like Trump has been an epic failure.

Time to go back to the "Battle of the Bases" and actually run on her 2016 Primary policies, instead of taking the Progressive base of the Party for granted.

It is almost too late for Clinton, considering that pledging and adopting extremely progressive policies in order to defeat Bernie in the primaries, was then followed by a pivot that has done very little to back up her talk. Ultimately, among many voters she is reinforcing the narrative that she is just another Politician who will say and do anything to get elected, but at the end of the day you can't trust to follow through.

It's amazing that she basically ignored key issues for the largest generation (Millennials) in order to try to increase Trump's already huge unfavorables. She should have been building her own favorables in August, and acting consistent and not basically taking one of the largest voting blocs for granted solely based upon "Trump is.... (fill in the blanks) which most of that generation already believes to be the case.

[Vosem]

It's official...

At this point we're looking a race which is a virtual tossup.

Trump has consolidated the Republican base, which has been the major driver in his recent performance in both national and state polls.

Clinton has lost support to 3rd Party candidates and undecideds/persuadables...

Her strategy over the past four weeks of trying to hammer Trump as an extremist, and try to pander to Republican voters that don't like Trump has been an epic failure.

Time to go back to the "Battle of the Bases" and actually run on her 2016 Primary policies, instead of taking the Progressive base of the Party for granted.

It is almost too late for Clinton, considering that pledging and adopting extremely progressive policies in order to defeat Bernie in the primaries, was then followed by a pivot that has done very little to back up her talk. Ultimately, among many voters she is reinforcing the narrative that she is just another Politician who will say and do anything to get elected, but at the end of the day you can't trust to follow through.

It's amazing that she basically ignored key issues for the largest generation (Millennials) in order to try to increase Trump's already huge unfavorables. She should have been building her own favorables in August, and acting consistent and not basically taking one of the largest voting blocs for granted solely based upon "Trump is.... (fill in the blanks) which most of that generation already believes to be the case.

Er, no. That's total horsesh**t. Trump has not consolidated the Republican base by any means; he's still polling in the 60s among self-described conservatives. Hillary is at 75-80 with self-described liberals. The swings in this race -- all the swings in this race -- have been between Hillary Clinton and undecided/third-party. Trump has never really been higher than 41% or so, and in fact is usually under 40. Some of the people voting third-party are in fact Stein-voting progressives, but the majority of Johnson voters and undecideds are vague centrists without much of an ideology at all who can't stand Trump but are uncertain of whether they can bring themselves to vote for Hillary. Many are likely to end up not voting at all.

[Buffalo Bill]

This is truly a unique year where neither base is totally behind a candidate. 

[Erich Maria Remarque]

Er, no. That's total horsesh**t. Trump has not consolidated the Republican base by any means; he's still polling in the 60s among self-described conservatives. Hillary is at 75-80 with self-described liberals. The swings in this race -- all the swings in this race -- have been between Hillary Clinton and undecided/third-party. Trump has never really been higher than 41% or so, and in fact is usually under 40. Some of the people voting third-party are in fact Stein-voting progressives, but the majority of Johnson voters and undecideds are vague centrists without much of an ideology at all who can't stand Trump but are uncertain of whether they can bring themselves to vote for Hillary. Many are likely to end up not voting at all.

No. In the most polls Trump has gained, and Hillary has declined/stayed steady. But it is true that he can't crack 42% nationally.

[Mike88]

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I have been following this forum for some time and decided to login in.

Not a totally bad poll for Hillary considering the bad, really bad week she had.

[Buffalo Bill]

Has anyone noticed the polls moving from RV to LV as is usually the case closer to election time?

[Erich Maria Remarque]

BTW, there are a good news for Red Hacks

Comparison to    AUG. 28-30 RV:
4-way
Clinton +0%
Trump  -2%

2-way:
Clinton +2%
Trump  +1%

[Gass3268]

Has anyone noticed the polls moving from RV to LV as is usually the case closer to election time?

Republicans tend to do better with LV. Methodologies of determining a likely voter matter. The stricter they are the more it also helps Republicans.

[KingSweden]

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Not a totally bad poll for Hillary considering the bad, really bad week she had.

Welcome!

[Buffalo Bill]

Has anyone noticed the polls moving from RV to LV as is usually the case closer to election time?

Republicans tend to do better with LV. Methodologies of determining a likely voter matter. The stricter they are the more it also helps Republicans.

More Democrats are likely to stay home and that's why.  Lately LV should be more important and less of a difference from RV in a high turn out.  With lower turnouts LV and RV should be further apart. 

[NOVA Green]

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I have been following this forum for some time and decided to login in.

Not a totally bad poll for Hillary considering the bad, really bad week she had.

Welcome to the forum on your first post!!!

[NOVA Green]

It's official...

At this point we're looking a race which is a virtual tossup.

Trump has consolidated the Republican base, which has been the major driver in his recent performance in both national and state polls.

Clinton has lost support to 3rd Party candidates and undecideds/persuadables...

Her strategy over the past four weeks of trying to hammer Trump as an extremist, and try to pander to Republican voters that don't like Trump has been an epic failure.

Time to go back to the "Battle of the Bases" and actually run on her 2016 Primary policies, instead of taking the Progressive base of the Party for granted.

It is almost too late for Clinton, considering that pledging and adopting extremely progressive policies in order to defeat Bernie in the primaries, was then followed by a pivot that has done very little to back up her talk. Ultimately, among many voters she is reinforcing the narrative that she is just another Politician who will say and do anything to get elected, but at the end of the day you can't trust to follow through.

It's amazing that she basically ignored key issues for the largest generation (Millennials) in order to try to increase Trump's already huge unfavorables. She should have been building her own favorables in August, and acting consistent and not basically taking one of the largest voting blocs for granted solely based upon "Trump is.... (fill in the blanks) which most of that generation already believes to be the case.

Er, no. That's total horsesh**t. Trump has not consolidated the Republican base by any means; he's still polling in the 60s among self-described conservatives. Hillary is at 75-80 with self-described liberals. The swings in this race -- all the swings in this race -- have been between Hillary Clinton and undecided/third-party. Trump has never really been higher than 41% or so, and in fact is usually under 40. Some of the people voting third-party are in fact Stein-voting progressives, but the majority of Johnson voters and undecideds are vague centrists without much of an ideology at all who can't stand Trump but are uncertain of whether they can bring themselves to vote for Hillary. Many are likely to end up not voting at all.

Fair enough.... so I'm assuming the horses**t refers to the argument that both candidates have consolidated their respective bases?

I'm not exactly sure what your sources are regarding the base consolidation regarding Clinton/Trump... I'm assuming these are national polls, since we have seen state poll after state poll in the past month showing Trump consolidating Republican support. Meanwhile, we have seen Clinton's numbers drop in similar state polls regarding the Democratic base support.

I suspect we are basically in agreement on the fundamental points, but disagree on some of the details?

[Mike88]

Hi! New guy over here.
I have been following this forum for some time and decided to login in.

Not a totally bad poll for Hillary considering the bad, really bad week she had.

Welcome to the forum on your first post!!!

Thanks!