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« on: September 29, 2016, 06:16:01 am »
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Colorado

Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 2

Clinton 51, Trump 44

Florida

Clinton 45, Trump 43, Johnson 3, Stein 1

Clinton 48, Trump 45

North Carolina

Clinton 44, Trump 42, Johnson 7

Clinton 49, Trump 45

Pennsylvania

Clinton 45, Trump 39, Johnson 6, Stein 2

Clinton 49, Trump 44

Virginia


Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 7, Stein 1

Clinton 49, Trump 43


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/09/clinton-leads-in-key-battlegrounds-seen-as-big-debate-winner.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 06:22:42 am »
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Colorado

Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 2

Clinton 51, Trump 44

Florida

Clinton 45, Trump 43, Johnson 3, Stein 1

Clinton 48, Trump 45

North Carolina

Clinton 44, Trump 42, Johnson 7

Clinton 49, Trump 45

Pennsylvania

Clinton 45, Trump 39, Johnson 6, Stein 2

Clinton 49, Trump 44

Virginia


Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 7, Stein 1

Clinton 49, Trump 43


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/09/clinton-leads-in-key-battlegrounds-seen-as-big-debate-winner.html

North Carolina is the really encouraging one...Clinton +4 from the gold standard in NC polling is big
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 06:23:36 am »
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That certainly is a 7 on the happiness scale.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 06:23:45 am »
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Depressing. I suppose that losing a debate does have consequences.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 06:25:45 am »
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 06:27:58 am »
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Great poll results!
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2016, 06:30:49 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2016, 06:32:30 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

Lovely. PA and VA are a little weaker than I'd like, but leads are leads Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2016, 06:35:56 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

Lovely. PA and VA are a little weaker than I'd like, but leads are leads Smiley

I mean this is roughly in line with PPP's national poll I'd say. If we take that as gospel this gives the states as:

Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado: D +2
North Carolina, FLorida :             R +2

I'd expect PA and VA to be more D than that and NC to be more R than that but it's all MoE stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 06:36:08 am »
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can anybody tell me the track record of PPP in 2014?  in 2012 they were formidable but i would like to figure out if they are quite good in general or just have had the luck to catch the under-measured obama vote better than others thanks to their pro-D-bias.

would help me to understand if those numbers here are realistic. ^^
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 06:38:57 am »
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can anybody tell me the track record of PPP in 2014?  in 2012 they were formidable but i would like to figure out if they are quite good in general or just have had the luck to catch the under-measured obama vote better than others thanks to their pro-D-bias.

would help me to understand if those numbers here are realistic. ^^

Almost everyone was bad in 2014.
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 06:42:24 am »
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Yeah, they kind of blew 2014 but I think most pollsters were to Dem-friendly that year.

PPP is decent, I wouldn't think they're crazy off most of the time.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 06:43:53 am »
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These are NOT PPP polls. They are PPP (D) polls for a left-leaning advocacy group. To be treated accordingly.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 07:01:18 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2016, 07:05:30 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

Hush, troll.

Seriously?, you got 2012 totally wrong by insisting that we don't trust PPP and that we should unskew polls based on party ID. Maybe you could explain to StatesPoll how this works if you learnt from your mistakes?
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2016, 07:05:53 am »
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These are NOT PPP polls. They are PPP (D) polls for a left-leaning advocacy group. To be treated accordingly.

Someone payed them to do these polls, doesnt change their methodology.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2016, 07:09:01 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

I don't like the results any more than you do, but this is a poor way to criticize them. Party ID is fluid -- I learned that the hard way in 2008 by believing "unskewers".  If you want to criticize it as slanted because of the advocacy group they did it for, that's fine. I still find it depressing -- VA/PA are about the same as their last releases as best I can remember, but FL and NC moved toward Clinton by 3 and 4 points, respectively.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2016, 07:10:04 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2016, 07:12:25 am »
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2016, 07:23:35 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!

Unskewer?

I'm telling u with real election 2.28 million samples.

Vote-by-mail in FL, 9/29/2016.
REP 43.6% > DEM 37.3%  R +6.3% (with '2.28 million' samples.)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

and u red avatars feel hooray with '826' horribly skewed samples?(which is D +8%)

826 LV skewed samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.28 Million (real election 2016 samples)

amazing red avatars!


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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2016, 07:31:32 am »
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These are NOT PPP polls. They are PPP (D) polls for a left-leaning advocacy group. To be treated accordingly.

Someone payed them to do these polls, doesnt change their methodology.

The client calls the shots. Of course it potentially does. And it needs to be disclosed, as PPP did. It also needs to be disclosed here as well.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2016, 07:32:06 am »
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These are NOT PPP polls. They are PPP (D) polls for a left-leaning advocacy group. To be treated accordingly.

If we started treating your posts accordingly then I'm sure you wouldn't like it a bit.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2016, 07:35:33 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!

Unskewer?

I'm telling u with real election 2.28 million samples.

Vote-by-mail in FL, 9/29/2016.
REP 43.6% > DEM 37.3%  R +6.3% (with '2.28 million' samples.)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

and u red avatars feel hooray with '826' horribly skewed samples?(which is D +8%)

826 LV skewed samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.28 Million (real election 2016 samples)

amazing red avatars!




My avatar is green, foolish one.  Do you not understand that Party ID =/= Party Registration?!  Off with ye to the bowels of history, where you and Dick Morris shall bathe in a sea of poopdick.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2016, 07:36:40 am »
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These are NOT PPP polls. They are PPP (D) polls for a left-leaning advocacy group. To be treated accordingly.

If we started treating your posts accordingly then I'm sure you wouldn't like it a bit.
You already do and I don't give a damn what you think. My point is a valid one either way.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2016, 07:39:33 am »
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This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!

Unskewer?

I'm telling u with real election 2.28 million samples.

Vote-by-mail in FL, 9/29/2016.
REP 43.6% > DEM 37.3%  R +6.3% (with '2.28 million' samples.)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

and u red avatars feel hooray with '826' horribly skewed samples?(which is D +8%)

826 LV skewed samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.28 Million (real election 2016 samples)

amazing red avatars!




My avatar is green, foolish one.  Do you not understand that Party ID =/= Party Registration?!  Off with ye to the bowels of history, where you and Dick Morris shall bathe in a sea of poopdick.

Note how he only trolls states that only Trump needs...

This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!

Unskewer?

I'm telling u with real election 2.28 million samples.

Vote-by-mail in FL, 9/29/2016.
REP 43.6% > DEM 37.3%  R +6.3% (with '2.28 million' samples.)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

and u red avatars feel hooray with '826' horribly skewed samples?(which is D +8%)

826 LV skewed samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.28 Million (real election 2016 samples)

amazing red avatars!




My avatar is green, foolish one.  Do you not understand that Party ID =/= Party Registration?!  Off with ye to the bowels of history, where you and Dick Morris shall bathe in a sea of poopdick.

Now that's spicy... a little harsh, though.
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