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« Reply #100 on: August 24, 2017, 02:56:32 pm »

Oh, since this thread went inactive for long, the Supreme Court controversy, which sparked actual big protests in major cities at least, had no effect on PiS standing in the polls.
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« Reply #101 on: August 24, 2017, 05:41:14 pm »

Razem is probably moving toward total failure in local elections as I don't see that ideological purists will cooperate with other more liberal parties of the left on local level. And they don't understand that for them getting city councilors, sejmiks members is the only way to get any support bigger than 3%. Probably the only city when they alone have decent result is Wrocław.



Interestingly during elections for borough councils Razem did cooperate with Greens. But I don't see purists "compromising themselves" by working on something bigger with muh fake left.

Well, as for now they are also cooperating with IPla and Greens with collecting signatures on their abortion liberalization act so maybe somewhere it will succeed. But I still doubt that they will accept cooperation with people like Joński.

As for the PiS as I said

and everything will smooth down.

PiS is good in over-escalating the conflict and later smoothing down with making their opponents accepting the lighter version (while most often this is the version which they from the beginning they were willing to accept). Only thing opposition now can pray for is bigger conflict in PiS against Rydzyk people in govt. (Szyszko, Macierewicz) and further conflict between Ziobro and Duda (Duda used to be his subordinate but later left his while he was creating Solidarna Polska so there probably is some ambition-based conflict between them, search for their statements from 2014) but as for now this is still unlikely. 
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« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2017, 10:42:27 am »

CBOS poll:

PiS: 42%
PO: 20%
Kukiz: 8%
.Nowoczesna: 6%
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PSL: 4%
SLD: 4%
"Wolność": 2%
Razem: 2%


Pathetic
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« Reply #103 on: August 27, 2017, 12:37:28 pm »

CBOS is not really good source, they had great error takng into consideration previous elections. In 2015 IBRiS was the best from currently operating polling stations.
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« Reply #104 on: August 27, 2017, 04:28:48 pm »

CBOS poll:

PiS: 42%
PO: 20%
Kukiz: 8%
.Nowoczesna: 6%
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PSL: 4%
SLD: 4%
"Wolność": 2%
Razem: 2%

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« Reply #105 on: August 27, 2017, 04:39:22 pm »

CBOS poll:

PiS: 42%
PO: 20%
Kukiz: 8%
.Nowoczesna: 6%
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PSL: 4%
SLD: 4%
"Wolność": 2%
Razem: 2%


Pathetic

Depressing, but lmao at the collapse of .modern.
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« Reply #106 on: August 27, 2017, 05:24:55 pm »

CBOS poll:

PiS: 42%
PO: 20%
Kukiz: 8%
.Nowoczesna: 6%
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PSL: 4%
SLD: 4%
"Wolność": 2%
Razem: 2%


Pathetic

Depressing, but lmao at the collapse of .modern.

It wasn't so long ago when we've heard constantly ".n will absorb PO in no time" or "Petru is the new leader of the opposition."

As of PO, I remember Schetyna being compared to Frank Underwood and now it makes sense. He's good at destroying internal rivals and sucks at everything else.
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« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2017, 08:14:57 am »

CBOS poll:

PiS: 42%
PO: 20%
Kukiz: 8%
.Nowoczesna: 6%
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PSL: 4%
SLD: 4%
"Wolność": 2%
Razem: 2%


Pathetic

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It was pretty obvious since the beginning that only one party can be major anti-PiS and .nowoczesna lost their chance to get into that position and kill PO because of stupidity of its leader.
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« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2017, 08:24:33 am »

There is also fresh IRBiS

PiS: 36.4%
PO: 19.6%
.Nowoczesna:    10.9%
Kukiz: 8.0%
PSL: 5.4%
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SLD: 4.5%
"Wolność": 3.4%
Razem:    3.4%
Dunnos/others: 8.4


Compared to previous poll by them PiS gained and PO lost few pp. With such result and SLD outside the parliament PiS will got majority.
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« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2017, 08:56:38 am »

What does Kukiz stand for nowadays?
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« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2017, 10:47:56 am »

What does Kukiz stand for nowadays?


Depends. It was always strange mix of different political groups and it pretty much depend on faction in parliamentary club. But generally it has not changes much since the elections. As for now they as far as I noticed focus on few issues:

1) President Duda plans for constitutional referendum next year
2) Immigration, terrorism etc.
3) Some administrative issues like digitization etc.

I do not follow what they are doing now that much but they have pretty much stable support so they do not really need any radical changes and attention whoring. 
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« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2017, 12:58:29 pm »

Recently IBRiS done poll about on whom people declaring different political views want to vote. And people with self-declared left-wing views are like this:

(in brackets changes compared with lat year)
PO: 22% (nc)
.N: 21% (-10%)
SLD: 20% (nc)
PiS: 11% (+4%)
Razem: 8% (-2%)
PSL: 7% (+2%)
Kukiz: 2% (-2%)


What are your opinion on that?
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« Reply #112 on: September 11, 2017, 03:27:26 am »

Kal, Razem got 5% in new IBRiS poll XD
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« Reply #113 on: September 11, 2017, 05:18:49 am »

Kal, Razem got 5% in new IBRiS poll XD

Weird, I see no celebrations on my FB wall.
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« Reply #114 on: September 11, 2017, 07:25:20 am »

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« Reply #115 on: September 11, 2017, 05:09:37 pm »

Poland has right to seek war damages from Germany, PM says

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« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2017, 11:52:54 am »


No, it's really boring and not that original.
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« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2017, 12:34:27 pm »

Yeah they bang this drum every now and again, usually as a way of distracting from domestic troubles. The usual nationalist blowhard trick.
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« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2017, 03:14:46 pm »

Yeah they bang this drum every now and again, usually as a way of distracting from domestic troubles. The usual nationalist blowhard trick.

Well, to be honest they hadn't started that drama when there was any problem (economy is in very good shape, budget in better shape than expected, govt. is planning raising the minimum wage and minimum hourly wage, they are preparing next anti-VAT fraud acts and solutions etc.) as there were political summer holidays when they were most strongly used that theme. Support for opposition parties is decreasing so they are not clearly doing that to repair their opinion polls results. Generally I think main goal of that is:

a) they want to have bargaining card for some other issues like NS2
b) for internal use, waking up anti-German sentiment to try at least somehow diminish negative possible future effect of EU procedures against Poland (such scheme: damn, that controlled by Germans EU want to hurt us, innocent Poland. Hey, remember when we also was innocent and hurt by Germans? In 1939).
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« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2017, 05:19:13 pm »

Greens and Razem are running together for the city council in Wrocław, but that's it.
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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2017, 05:31:48 pm »

Greens and Razem are running together for the city council in Wrocław, but that's it.

Lel, I wrote about that like half year ago on the other Atlas and there I forgot Sad They also wanted as far as I know to have joint candidate for president. As far as I know they are also planning to have their committees in all voivodships for Sejmik elections. I guess they have also some chances on coalition in Warsaw city council elections but I doubt they will get enough votes to get some city councilors.
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« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2017, 08:28:12 am »

Greens and Razem are running together for the city council in Wrocław, but that's it.

Lel, I wrote about that like half year ago on the other Atlas and there I forgot Sad

I think I remember Greens and Razem running together for borough councils sometime ago in Wrocław.
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« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2017, 09:29:50 am »

Greens and Razem are running together for the city council in Wrocław, but that's it.

Lel, I wrote about that like half year ago on the other Atlas and there I forgot Sad

I think I remember Greens and Razem running together for borough councils sometime ago in Wrocław.

Yup, and they got some elected. Although I don't know how many of them were from Razem.

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« Reply #123 on: September 16, 2017, 12:02:06 pm »

PiS record high in CBOS, 44%
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« Reply #124 on: September 20, 2017, 05:23:00 pm »

Ruling coalition (yes, formally Poland is governed by a coalition, not a single party) today was enlarged by to-be-in-future party Partia Republikańska based on the two splinter MPs from Republikanie association which earlier was part of Kukiz'15. This is second major split in that organisation. Now PiS and allies have 236 out of 460 MPs, still too little to counter any potential dissent of the PiS minor partners but still this is better than 234.
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