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« Reply #150 on: December 07, 2017, 02:39:45 PM »

Official: Szydło "resigned", Morawiecki will be PM. Szydło will remain in govt as deputy prime minister. Rest of changes in January.
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« Reply #151 on: December 07, 2017, 03:16:05 PM »

Initially she was rumored to be "promoted" - Sejm Marshal. Of course from any standpoint other than the order of precedence it's a demotion too.
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« Reply #152 on: December 07, 2017, 03:19:12 PM »

Why is Kaczynski doing this? What did Szydlo do wrong?
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« Reply #153 on: December 07, 2017, 03:48:31 PM »

Why is Kaczynski doing this? What did Szydlo do wrong?

Maybe he prefers a "fresh face" (lol) to inaugurate second half of parliamentary term. Dunno.

It's all pretty irrelevant anyway. Kaczyński could've picked a brick to replace Szydło for all practical purposes.
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« Reply #154 on: December 07, 2017, 04:03:41 PM »

Welp, to be honest nothing wrong. Govt is popular, PM is popular, PiS is dominating in polls. But there are few issues which accumulated in the second part of the year and which might be the reasons for such change.

1) First of all Szydło had problems with powerful ministers, she herself had pretty weak position in the government. She couldn't really discipline even those weaker ministers and only what somehow motivated ministers to do something with issues with which Kaczyński was not satisfied (as for the Infrastructure Minister with one of the flag programs - Mieszkanie+, state-builded flats for rent which should have smaller cost than flats on developer market or as for the Foreign Ministry with changes in foreign service act and purges in embassies) was threat of demission during reconstruction of cabinet.

2) There are gossips that Szydło was overwhelmed and tired by cabinet works.

3) There is also issue of new focus in the second part of current parliamentary term. Some ministers and also what was now confirmed by PiS speaker they want to focus on economy, investments, development, high tech industries etc. rather than core PiS issues like "fighting with cliques", "fighting with corruption" or some social issues (not like that will disappear, just other issues will be priority).

4) There are also voices that Morawiecki is simply better partner for international contacts than Szydło as he is bankster with good language skills and lets say for him international environment is not something problematic. Kaczyński just got impression that Morawiecki will be better PM while new EU budget will be discussed and Poland got into a lot of troubles with the EU.


That might got interesting because as for now Morawiecki is almost outsider for PiS, some important members who are longer inside the party might be a little bit worried with such tremendous political career.
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« Reply #155 on: December 09, 2017, 06:58:26 AM »

Piotr Duda, the leader of Solidarity, said in an interview that he 'doesn't understand' Morawiecki's appointment and fears that it marks a liberal turn in economic policy. He also criticised what he described as Morawiecki's unwillingess to cooperate with the unions (specifically citing him pushing through a pension contribution reform both the unions and employers' associations opposed as an example) as Deputy PM and said that strikes are possible if he continues to act the same way now that he's Prime Minister. Will be interesting to see if other important PiS constituencies react the same way.

At the same time PiS also passed President Duda's proposed laws on the Supreme Court and the National Judiciary Council, and pushed a reform of the electoral law which would instate term limits for mayors, shorten the terms of the members of the National Electoral Commission through the relevant parliamentary committee.
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« Reply #156 on: December 09, 2017, 07:30:31 AM »
« Edited: December 09, 2017, 07:32:27 AM by RIP Gruppenführer Bronevoy »

So, Szydło is going to be Deputy PM "for social affairs", but without actual portfolio.

OK, there's a precedent of Jaruga-Nowacka in Belka Cabinet, before she was given a ministry. But she was leader of a junior coalition party. Also Gosiewski was Deputy PM without a portfolio.
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« Reply #157 on: December 11, 2017, 04:26:40 PM »

So, the entire "reconstruction" amounted to PM an Deputy PM switching places and nothing else.

There are opinions, by the way, suggesting Morawiecki will basically serve as a nice Smiley modern Smiley non-ideological Smiley expert Smiley facade for Europe.

It's not about domestic politics. Szydło was popular and certainly somebody PiS voters could personally relate to. Morawiecki is definitively not the same type. Kaczyński feel secure to disregard this, not to mention Morawiecki, an outsider to the party, will be very dependable.
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« Reply #158 on: December 12, 2017, 11:27:11 AM »

Expose (inaugurating speech before vote of confidence) of new PM in the nutshell: Poland is cool, govt was cool, thanks Beata, industrial power of Poland is great, economy now is great, in the future no night-watchman state neither bureaucratic leviathan,  tax frauds,  polluted air,  Russian gas, quote from Piketty, sharing economy, we must work all together guys Smiley, digitization,  brain drainage,  ASF, build new flats, suport the mothers, jail the rapists, support the elderly and disabled people (infrastructural and systemic changes), Europe is cool,  two-speed Europe, we want discuss about changes in migrant policies, wadda wadda Polish democracy and tolerance great tradition of Europe, Anglo-saxon capitalism do not cope well with inequalities, France and Italy capitalism do not cope well with competition, we can cope with all of that, Poland was among first countries wanted to discuss about tax evasions on EU level, thank you guys from forest services for saving Białowieża forest Smiley, Poland must build its soft power tools, Polish security is cool now, thx NATO, PESCO is also cool, but NATO and USA is cooler, new technologies needed, V4 is cool, Eastern Partnership is cool, again soft power and defending Poland reputation, support our diaspora - but guys pls come back you can be happy there, we need ambitious goals like being member of G20 or main pillar of EU/NATO, thanks daddy (Morawiecki's dad is MP, were present during expose), thanks mommy,  you communist Security Service, Poland is our common good, guys Christmas are coming, we need to stop fighting and start disagreeing, 100 years ago our grandfathers could do so we also can lol, Poland stronk, common goals etc. thank you very much <applause>
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« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM »

Moraviecku, vodi pole svoje, vodi pole svoje.
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« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2017, 12:41:52 PM »

I really hope Waszczo will be kicked out come January. Our diplomacy won't get any better, but we will look a little less retarded.
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« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2017, 12:50:34 PM »

what is the point of Kukiz nowadays? I assumed he would sort of implode Palikot style.
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« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2017, 04:24:51 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2017, 11:30:51 AM by Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan »

what is the point of Kukiz nowadays? I assumed he would sort of implode Palikot style.


Pretty much his club is starting to crumble, in month he lost next two or three MPs. And disagreements are bigger and bigger, especially with the nationalist wing. Also there is some humble but visible tendency for con-liberal side to join forces with Korwin so they will probably start alone.
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« Reply #163 on: December 14, 2017, 11:22:21 AM »

what is the point of Kukiz nowadays? I assumed he would sort of implode Palikot style.


Pretty much his club is starting to crumble, in month he lost next two or three MPs. And disagreement are bigger and bigger, especially with the nationalist wing. Also there is some humble but visible tendency for con-liberal side to join forces with Korwin so they will probably start alone.

Frankly I'm susprised it took them so long to start to crumble.
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« Reply #164 on: December 15, 2017, 03:13:54 PM »

EuCom vs Poland 2: The Electric Boogaloo

https://www.politico.eu/article/4-takeaways-from-the-eu-summit/?utm_content=buffer8c411&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"Morawiecki told reporters Thursday that he believed the European Commission would recommend taking sanctions against Poland for pushing through judicial changes that Brussels says will undermine EU standards on the rule of law. The Polish prime minister said he understood that the decision “has already been made that next Wednesday the European Commission plans to start (the procedure), then it will most likely be triggered.” "
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« Reply #165 on: December 18, 2017, 02:31:25 PM »

https://amp.theguardian.com/cities/2017/dec/18/stole-city-soul-warsaw-reprivatisation-chaos?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true


Interesting article about real estate reprivatisation issue in Warsaw.
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« Reply #166 on: December 20, 2017, 12:50:50 PM »

https://www.politico.eu/article/frans-timmermans-brussels-puts-warsaw-on-path-to-sanctions-over-rule-of-law/

"The European Commission decided Wednesday to put Poland on a path that could ultimately lead to the suspension of its EU voting rights over concerns about the rule of law.

The Commission’s move was the first time it had ever triggered the so-called Article 7 process, designed to ensure member countries stick to the bloc’s core values."

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« Reply #167 on: December 20, 2017, 03:58:54 PM »

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« Reply #168 on: December 20, 2017, 04:43:05 PM »


Permaban pls Smiley
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« Reply #169 on: December 20, 2017, 04:56:52 PM »


Wpierdol chcesz? Smiley
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« Reply #170 on: December 21, 2017, 05:35:16 AM »

https://www.politico.eu/article/frans-timmermans-brussels-puts-warsaw-on-path-to-sanctions-over-rule-of-law/

"The European Commission decided Wednesday to put Poland on a path that could ultimately lead to the suspension of its EU voting rights over concerns about the rule of law.

The Commission’s move was the first time it had ever triggered the so-called Article 7 process, designed to ensure member countries stick to the bloc’s core values."

So, comedy begins.

Yikes, is the EU actively trying to push Poland out? Because that seems one way for Poland to leave.
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« Reply #171 on: December 21, 2017, 05:49:51 AM »

https://www.politico.eu/article/frans-timmermans-brussels-puts-warsaw-on-path-to-sanctions-over-rule-of-law/

"The European Commission decided Wednesday to put Poland on a path that could ultimately lead to the suspension of its EU voting rights over concerns about the rule of law.

The Commission’s move was the first time it had ever triggered the so-called Article 7 process, designed to ensure member countries stick to the bloc’s core values."

So, comedy begins.

Yikes, is the EU actively trying to push Poland out? Because that seems one way for Poland to leave.

As for now Poland is one among those euro-enthusiastic countries, unlike for example Czech republic support for the EU is strong in Poland. At least for now, if government would like to they should be able to create such narrations that chances for leaving the EU will be greater. But I hope that nothing like this will happen.
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« Reply #172 on: December 21, 2017, 11:14:38 AM »
« Edited: December 21, 2017, 11:18:36 AM by DavidB. »

Timmermans has always been an insufferable little dictator with an inflated ego. I don't know if I support these judicial reforms, but it doesn't matter: these are Poland's internal affairs and none of Brussels' business. Stay stronk, Poland.
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« Reply #173 on: December 21, 2017, 11:47:56 AM »

Timmermans has always been an insufferable little dictator with an inflated ego. I don't know if I support these judicial reforms, but it doesn't matter: these are Poland's internal affairs and none of Brussels' business. Stay stronk, Poland.

PiS is basically destroying independence of the judiciary and electoral system. I've always believed the EU should be able to do something to ensure member states' won't go down the authoritarian path. When you join the club, you subscribe to some rules.
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« Reply #174 on: December 21, 2017, 12:00:42 PM »

An independent judiciary is important, and so is governing parties not adapting the electoral system to benefit themselves. Perhaps I would have been more mild if the EU were not currently in the process of forcing Poland, among other member states, to take in migrants, something these countries most definitely did not sign up for when they entered the EU. I realize these are separate issues, but I have difficulty sympathizing with the European Commission because of it.
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