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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2016, 01:17:54 pm »

Well probably now we will have massive anti-abortion protests because on the PiS motion Sejm Justice and Human Rights commission rejected the whole project. Facebook is currently being flooded by angry posts. Brace yourselves.

Oh man, I just love to browse throught my wall xD


What is more funny PO wanted to recall that commission meeting and its decisions as they say it was unconstitutional (term was not legally ok) so they if they want or not defended the Ordo Iuris project. Circus, everybody trolled by Kaczyński, even his own MEPs because as far as I know they still defended the project in the PE which dozens minutes ago had debate about situation of women in Poland (also in context of abortion laws).


As I said earlier I really wasn't thinking they will do that with such brutality but still I don't understand how so many people were able to believe that "hurr evil Kaczyński want to jail women durr"
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2016, 01:22:25 pm »

What is more funny PO wanted to recall that commission meeting and its decisions as they say it was unconstitutional (term was not legally ok) so they if they want or not defended the Ordo Iuris project. Circus, everybody trolled by Kaczyński, even his own MEPs because as far as I know they still defended the project in the PE which dozens minutes ago had debate about situation of women in Poland (also in context of abortion laws).

This reminds me of Orwell's 1984 with a speaker blasting Eurasia before he received memo it's Eastasia that's bad now and corrects himself.

I'm a bit surprised, though. I expected it being kep in the freezer until things calm down. But Kaczyński is everything but idiot.
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2016, 01:25:03 pm »

So it's over?
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2016, 01:25:39 pm »

Btw, little off-topic, but here's the recent poll (MB):

PiS: 30% (-3)
.Nowoczesna: 22% (+4)
PO: 16% (-3)
Kukiz: 8% (+1)
SLD: 5%
Korwin: 5% (+2)
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Razem: 4
PSL: 2

Lol PSL. Please die already.
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2016, 01:34:36 pm »

Also, how is Nowoczesna different than PO exactly? Sorry for all the dumb noob questions, but I haven't been able to follow Polish politics much lately. Undecided
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2016, 01:35:54 pm »

Also, how is Nowoczesna different than PO exactly? Sorry for all the dumb noob questions, but I haven't been able to follow Polish politics much lately. Undecided

Practical difference on European level: PO belongs to the EPP while Nowoczesna to ALDE.
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2016, 01:56:24 pm »

Also, how is Nowoczesna different than PO exactly? Sorry for all the dumb noob questions, but I haven't been able to follow Polish politics much lately. Undecided


1. PO is first of all party of power which lost power. They have more members, a lot of members on local level, in local power ruling bodies, a lot of cash and still some political power. Nowoczesna is party of mainly one man and few his goons. I don't know anyone who knows more than 2 MPs of Nowoczesna.
2. PO is maybe not considered in Poland as conservative party but still they are more conservative socially than .N.
3. Nowoczesna is as Kal said member of ALDE so they are more liberal, both in terms of economy (for example they were against minimal wage [all but one MP] and they are for example now against changes in shopping regulations as for the trading on Sundays) and social issues.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2016, 02:01:14 pm »

Ugh. Oh well. I guess SOCIALLY LIBERAL BUT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE is the best you can hope for in Poland these days.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2016, 02:03:08 pm »

2. PO is maybe not considered in Poland as conservative party but still they are more conservative socially than .N.

Now that you've mentioned it, I can't name more. It's good pal Richard Swetru all over.

Just to explain: Petru (his name) -> Swetru from Sweter (sweater)

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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2016, 02:25:20 pm »

Other thing that Ryszard Petru beside being economist he is known of saying a lot of stupid things, I don't know if he just say things too fast, before thinking about them or he is just stupid but well, he is not the best person in terms of communication with media.


2. PO is maybe not considered in Poland as conservative party but still they are more conservative socially than .N.
Now that you've mentioned it, I can't name more.
 


I remember 4: Petru, Lubnauer (she is from my electoral district), Scheuring-Wielgus and Gasiuk-Pihowicz (because she is not the brightest person in the Sejm).
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2016, 02:35:31 pm »

Other thing that Ryszard Petru beside being economist he is known of saying a lot of stupid things, I don't know if he just say things too fast, before thinking about them or he is just stupid but well, he is not the best person in terms of communication with media.

One recent example, after one of Nowoczesna's politicians came out as gay. Soon after Petru, in an interview, said something like "well, I'm not against gays but they should't show it openly" (I don't remember an exact quote).
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2016, 03:40:30 pm »

Razem is now attempting to take full credit, lol.
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2016, 05:27:37 am »

Razem is now attempting to take full credit, lol.


This is pathetic XD
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2016, 12:14:54 pm »

State TV made a stunning discovery: various anti-government protests being attended by the same mysterious individual...



Oh wait, that's Marek Kossakowski. Green co-chair and Solidarity veteran. Yet this mysterious connection somehow became a major news.


(I s**t you not).
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2016, 01:05:04 pm »

This is why an abortion ban wouldn't work in the US.
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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2016, 05:12:13 pm »

I think I'll just leave it here with no comment: http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/275168,PiS-chief-Women-should-give-birth-even-to-deformed-babies-so-they-can-be-baptised
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2016, 03:37:10 pm »

This thread might just as well serve as general discussion one.


TNS Polska poll:

PiS: 34%
PO: 15%
Nowoczesna: 11%
Kukiz: 9%
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PSL: 3%
SLD: 3%
Korwin: 3%
Razem: 3%
TR: 0%
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« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2016, 05:36:15 pm »

No one really cares about Poland to be honest.
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« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2016, 06:28:25 pm »

Nowaczesna may have filled with Palikot's niche, but they'll never replace Palikot in my heart.
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2016, 09:36:40 pm »

Is it possible for Nowoczesna to eclipse PO as the main anti-PiS party?
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« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2016, 09:33:59 am »

Is it possible for Nowoczesna to eclipse PO as the main anti-PiS party?


Possible? Hard to tell. In my opinion it is too late, they should do more when PO had the biggest troubles. But they still have chances because it seems that PO is slowly crumbling apart, and their problems will continue. But their biggest problem is that next elections are local ones and they can't outnumber PO and they probably will not be able to participate on level lower than voivodship level.
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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2016, 10:44:46 am »

There was a time when media gone all "OMG PO's dead an Petru's new King" due to some polls showing Nowoczesna ahead and the fact their activity in Sejm was much more effective than PO, which was torn apart by succession race. BUT PO has a great structural advantage and Nowoczesna just recently lost it's donations via Court decision (Razem has some problems with this, but everybody cares about Petru).
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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2016, 10:45:45 am »

Nowaczesna may have filled with Palikot's niche, but they'll never replace Palikot in my heart.

Palikot was quite a troll. I wish he were a better politician, though (voted TR in 2011).
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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2016, 12:39:37 pm »

Presidential approvals per TNS:

Approve: 48% (-3)
Disapprove: 41% (+2)
Undecided: 11% (+1)

More specifically:

Very good: 9%
Good: 39%
Bad: 28%
Very bad: 13%


Freaking impressive, given the Presidency is basically vacant. Duda makes Komorowski look like a true titan of activity.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2016, 10:46:30 am »

Freaking impressive, given the Presidency is basically vacant. Duda makes Komorowski look like a true titan of activity.


How is so?
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