Poland General Discussion

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Poor PiS, I wonder how it will end. It is obvious that leadership of party do not wanted that project of legal act to be coped with now (or at any time probably) but I am not sure if as PiS probably will not impose voting discipline in the voting on the project and potential PiS alternative project there will be similar situation as in 2007 with Marek Jurek & co.


And that is maybe my observation but actually Church is not that active in that issue as most of the abortionists want, last Sunday on mass in my parish sermon was dedicated to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_Day and it was based on KEP list. Some bishops sometimes say something but there is no massive action in support for that.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Poor PiS, I wonder how it will end. It is obvious that leadership of party do not wanted that project of legal act to be coped with now (or at any time probably) but I am not sure if as PiS probably will not impose voting discipline in the voting on the project and potential PiS alternative project there will be similar situation as in 2007 with Marek Jurek & co.

"OK, let's make a gesture toward part of our base by allowing this to proceed to second reading. I mean, it's not like people will care..."

Well, they really had no choice. But worth noticing is that JarKacz wanted second project issued by "Ratujmy Kobiety" initiative to be proceeded but most of the irrelevant MPs rejected it. Now PiS have 3 MPs over necessary amount to have majority, any major break-up will lead to next elections so they must somehow cope with that project but they can't "kill it" brutally, because part of their electorate will probably not be happy and maybe drift to some other parties (to be honest I don't get it that some people really still thinks that PiS is some bulwark of Christian values etc.)

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

As far as I know PSL or at least officially as its leader said they are supporting status quo so the current law. PO is also supporting current so called "compromise", although there might be maybe one or two MPs which would support that act but probably after all those protests they will not do that. In more conservative PSL similar situation, although they might support potential PiS alternative project which still do not exist and is only still a declaration.



Kukiz'15 do not impose any official statement about abortion although most of its MPs was not supporting "yes" option in voting about rejecting the project "Stop Aborcji". Although some of its MPs including one from my electoral district consider all that abortion buzz as smokescreen to the CETA issue, and would probably be happy if there will be no that situation at all. Probably the most supporting the ban is nationalist faction inside the Kukiz15 parliamentary club.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Oh yeah, and as for the minor forces in parliament there are also two groups which are not clubs but minor groups which are called "koła" and I don't know how to call them.

One, Europejscy Demokraci (4 MPs, one of its members I have on signature but probably only Kalwejt will find it funny) was against the project (so voted yes in voting about rejecting the project) and second group is Wolni i Solidarni (3 MPs, group created around Kornel Morawiecki which members are outcasts from Kukiz15) voted in support of the project, so against rejection.

(My facebook friend from Razem, yes, you're not "winning" the next election, lol.)

HOW DARE YOU [TRIGGERED]

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

YES

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

I thought the government had withdrawn it?

Anyway, massive FFs.

They moved it to the works in the parliamentary commission what in practice means that they will vote on that project, or its slightly changed form in some point in future.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

There were march in last weekend which I must say was extraordinarily big (media usually report that there were few thousands participants) as for the Łódź (well, it is enough to say that people there are not really keen in expressing their political views in form of manifestation or marches), it was co-organised by KOD so that also probably helped. As I noticed on photos most of the taking part were mainly women in age in range 35-60, which is somehow logical knowing the age structure and feminisation ratio. As for the yesterday I don't know if there was anything organised, probably main event was scheduled for last Sunday. Razem also took part.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

I know I'll probably be disappointed by the answer, but... any chance that SLD (or a competing left-wing party) will benefit from the protest's success and use it to (re)establish itself as a credible political force?

No. They are not even visibly active during the protests. Some minor leaders participated in organized events but this was way too little to make people actually think that SLD is political power which is worth the vote. The only potential beneficent is .Nowoczesna (ALDE) although there were not initiators of the protests.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well probably now we will have massive anti-abortion protests because on the PiS motion Sejm Justice and Human Rights commission rejected the whole project. Facebook is currently being flooded by angry posts. Brace yourselves.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well probably now we will have massive anti-abortion protests because on the PiS motion Sejm Justice and Human Rights commission rejected the whole project. Facebook is currently being flooded by angry posts. Brace yourselves.

Oh man, I just love to browse throught my wall xD

What is more funny PO wanted to recall that commission meeting and its decisions as they say it was unconstitutional (term was not legally ok) so they if they want or not defended the Ordo Iuris project. Circus, everybody trolled by Kaczyński, even his own MEPs because as far as I know they still defended the project in the PE which dozens minutes ago had debate about situation of women in Poland (also in context of abortion laws).


As I said earlier I really wasn't thinking they will do that with such brutality but still I don't understand how so many people were able to believe that "hurr evil Kaczyński want to jail women durr"

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Also, how is Nowoczesna different than PO exactly? Sorry for all the dumb noob questions, but I haven't been able to follow Polish politics much lately.

1. PO is first of all party of power which lost power. They have more members, a lot of members on local level, in local power ruling bodies, a lot of cash and still some political power. Nowoczesna is party of mainly one man and few his goons. I don't know anyone who knows more than 2 MPs of Nowoczesna.
2. PO is maybe not considered in Poland as conservative party but still they are more conservative socially than .N.
3. Nowoczesna is as Kal said member of ALDE so they are more liberal, both in terms of economy (for example they were against minimal wage [all but one MP] and they are for example now against changes in shopping regulations as for the trading on Sundays) and social issues.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Other thing that Ryszard Petru beside being economist he is known of saying a lot of stupid things, I don't know if he just say things too fast, before thinking about them or he is just stupid but well, he is not the best person in terms of communication with media.

2. PO is maybe not considered in Poland as conservative party but still they are more conservative socially than .N.

Now that you've mentioned it, I can't name more.

 


I remember 4: Petru, Lubnauer (she is from my electoral district), Scheuring-Wielgus and Gasiuk-Pihowicz (because she is not the brightest person in the Sejm).

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Razem is now attempting to take full credit, lol.

This is pathetic XD

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

No one really cares about Poland to be honest.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Is it possible for Nowoczesna to eclipse PO as the main anti-PiS party?

Possible? Hard to tell. In my opinion it is too late, they should do more when PO had the biggest troubles. But they still have chances because it seems that PO is slowly crumbling apart, and their problems will continue. But their biggest problem is that next elections are local ones and they can't outnumber PO and they probably will not be able to participate on level lower than voivodship level.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Freaking impressive, given the Presidency is basically vacant. Duda makes Komorowski look like a true titan of activity.

How is so?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDOxykfP4c

Daily Korwin

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/AlternatywaSocjalistyczna/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1023459294466817


Its not even minor event, rather micro but Poland also had its pro-HDP manifestations.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

On first look I was thinking this is Wałęsa standing.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

https://www.facebook.com/socialistsanddemocrats/videos/1316471045096962/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNs_nn_qBIQ

Daily Korwin vol. 2

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

As you can see yes.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

As long as there will be no mixed electoral system or even FPTP PiS will not be able to get constitutional majority.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Razem-*: 1% ↓
PiS government still relatively popular?

BUT MY FACEBOOK TOLD ME RAZEM WILL WIN THE NEXT ELECTION! D:

After "memetics affair" Razem will not be able to stand together until the next elections.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Razem-*: 1% ↓
PiS government still relatively popular?

BUT MY FACEBOOK TOLD ME RAZEM WILL WIN THE NEXT ELECTION! D:

After "memetics affair" Razem will not be able to stand together until the next elections.

what's that if i may ask?

Great discussion inside Razem party about role of contemporary left-wing identity, values and role of Internet memes , briefly speaking.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Razem-*: 1% ↓
PiS government still relatively popular?

BUT MY FACEBOOK TOLD ME RAZEM WILL WIN THE NEXT ELECTION! D:

After "memetics affair" Razem will not be able to stand together until the next elections.

what's that if i may ask?

Great discussion inside Razem party about role of contemporary left-wing identity, values and role of Internet memes , briefly speaking.

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