Longwood University Vice Presidential debate @ 9pm ET **live commentary thread**

[Rand]

Tim Kaine is a smart politician and I personally don't find him boring at all. He is quite affable, whereas Mike Pence is more reserved and far less charismatic--a model conservative. Plus Kaine doesn't swear on the campaign trail in front of children like Pence. Don't forget Kaine will be as prepared as Hillary was in the first presidential debate. The Clinton team are political vipers and if the first debate was any indicator, they will arm Tim Kaine with the same political venom that Hillary injected into the Trump campaign for this debate. Worst case scenario is a draw.

[Rand]

The GOP just declared Mike Pence as the clear winner hours before the debate

https://gop.com/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/

Quick, somebody call Trump--this needs tweeted ASAP.

[Rand]

The GOP just declared Mike Pence as the clear winner hours before the debate

https://gop.com/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/

Both the Imgur link and the GOP link direct to 404 errors. Can you find anyone who archived it? Also, that 404 error page on the GOP site is awful.

MSNBC is having fun with this, lol.

[Rand]

Here we go!

[Rand]

Kaine has brought up the key points in this campaign--taxes, immigration, Donald's insults and discrimination toward women, Hispanics, and Muslims--and nothing Pence has said will quell voters' opinions on those. Pence has maintained his composure, which is a plus, but nothing he has said will undo Hillary's massive gains since the first debate.

[Rand]

Kaine is succeeding in defending Clinton and attacking Trump. Pence cannot even muster a coherent defense against Tax Evader McPorn Star.

[Rand]

Kaine nailed the Clinton/Trump Foundation question.

[Rand]

Kaine isnt trying to become president, he's trying to make Trump look bad. Job done I think.

[Rand]

Pence's exclamation point on this debate is his anti-abortion stance? Really?

[Rand]

I think Kaine has salvaged this debate on this question.

[Rand]

Kaine is wrapping this up nicely.

[Rand]

The big question is how many women, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, and millennials will abandon Clinton for Trump and move the dial based on Pence's performance?