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  CA, Sacramento State, Clinton +36 (4-way), OCT. 7-13, 622LV (search mode)
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Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard
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« on: October 30, 2016, 03:19:54 pm »

California will be more of an Estonia or Latvia than a Belarus or Kazakhstan when Trump's Nationalistic pull causes the nation to start to fracture like what happened in the 80s in the USSR.

The population and significance of California is far more than the Baltic states to Russia. With that said, I'm seriously wanting California to declare its independence as a new nation. A new California Republic would be greater than anything California could achieve as a state.
Maybe when people realize how underrepresented they are in the senate?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2016, 04:19:18 pm »

If this does lead to an EV/PV split in favor of Trump, I expect calls for the next Dem trifecta to pass legislation to split CA and TX will reach a fever pitch.

Republicans did the same with the Nebraska and Dakota Territories back in the day, and for explicitly partisan reasons.
If anything, I expect Texas republican to consider making south Texas a separate state to make the rest of the state safe R for a few more cycles.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2016, 04:35:50 pm »

If this does lead to an EV/PV split in favor of Trump, I expect calls for the next Dem trifecta to pass legislation to split CA and TX will reach a fever pitch.

Republicans did the same with the Nebraska and Dakota Territories back in the day, and for explicitly partisan reasons.
If anything, I expect Texas republican to consider making south Texas a separate state to make the rest of the state safe R for a few more cycles.

Yes, that would be the sweetener, but Democrats need to get San Francisco, L.A., and San Diego states out of the deal.

Also, the South Texas proposal is only viable if most of the new trouble is coming from the Rio Grande, Austin and San Antonio.  If it's massive Dem swings in Houston and Dallas, they will eventually get swamped anyway.  If Dems have any say in the process, a state of South Texas doesn't happen unless West Texas also does.
Yeah I was just speculating. I expect a lot more resistance to carving up their home state than you might think though, even if they have more influence that way.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2016, 01:13:35 am »

If Clinton is getting above 60% of the vote in Cali, I don't see how she is under 52-54% in the total PV

She is behind in swing states.

Yes however that is irrelevant as she does not need MO, TX, GA, AZ, IN to win.
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