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« on: November 02, 2016, 09:24:12 pm »
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Is this a thing? Discuss.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/02/fbis-clinton-foundation-investigation-now-very-high-priority-sources-say.html
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 09:32:01 pm »
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There's no merit to it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 09:33:29 pm »
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going on with manipulating the election.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 09:35:38 pm »
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So the Praetorian GuardFBI are actively trying to get Trump elected President?

Obama needs to fire every single agent and dissolve the FBI. They can tell each other how patriotic they were while they rot in the detention center the GOP wouldn't let him close. Not that he'll ever do it. I hope that, if Trump wins, he turns Obama's library into a prefab outhouse and locks his spineless, feckless predecessor inside. It's the least he deserves.

(The blame for all this isn't 100% on the GOP - from ignoring torture and spying to going easy on seditious militants to coordinating a crackdown on Occupy, to letting the NSA and FBI go rogue, he's helped bring this about.)
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 09:54:23 pm »
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So the Praetorian GuardFBI are actively trying to get Trump elected President?

Obama needs to fire every single agent and dissolve the FBI. They can tell each other how patriotic they were while they rot in the detention center the GOP wouldn't let him close. Not that he'll ever do it. I hope that, if Trump wins, he turns Obama's library into a prefab outhouse and locks his spineless, feckless predecessor inside. It's the least he deserves.

(The blame for all this isn't 100% on the GOP - from ignoring torture and spying to going easy on seditious militants to coordinating a crackdown on Occupy, to letting the NSA and FBI go rogue, he's helped bring this about.)

This is really serious that Trump might be able to control the press, the police, and the military like this. Whether its Hillary next week, the Democrats in 2018 or some other left-populists that arise to power in the distant, post-2020 future, they will have to reform our security apparatus so that we can end this shameless praetorianism.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 10:02:13 pm »
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the WSJ frames it as a battle between agents wanting to punch at shadows and prosecutors who dismissed it as simple hearsay.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 10:06:44 pm »
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Clinton foundation is a mess & full of corruption. Everyone knows the DOJ is stopping this. But for me the sad part is a noble cause has been tainted with pay to play & many other stuff.

Everyone has seen Hillary has sold favors & time for Foundation donations, but no1 gives a sh**.

You see dumb comments like There's no merit as if they know the in's & out's of FBI & The Clinton Foundation. At the point the Clinton hacks are as bad as the Islamophobic Xenophobic Racist Trump supporters who are SERVILE in nature & are blind to any faults of Clinton.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 10:17:54 pm »
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many media sources and journalists themselves are atm pouring cold water on the fox story.

is to be taken with a ton of salt and also worded like that.....more like the position of one FBI faction, not aided by prosecutors.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 10:20:23 pm »
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I'll put as much weight in it as the leaks in Jan through July of this last year.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 10:27:18 pm »
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not comey in that case...some rogue agents.....playing wild and try to steer the election. illegal?
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 10:42:11 pm »
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So the Praetorian GuardFBI are actively trying to get Trump elected President?

The Washington Post has already reported the FBI waited almost a month before informing Congress after first learning about the new emails, using that time to gather more information and become sure that moving forward was the right way to go. Given that, this claim is utterly debunked at this point and laughable.

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Obama needs to fire every single agent and dissolve the FBI. They can tell each other how patriotic they were while they rot in the detention center the GOP wouldn't let him close. Not that he'll ever do it. I hope that, if Trump wins, he turns Obama's library into a prefab outhouse and locks his spineless, feckless predecessor inside. It's the least he deserves.

It's honestly scary how you can think trashing the Rule of Law and removing any oversight because it's a political inconvenience for you is a good thing.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 10:44:37 pm »
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Obama needs to fire every single agent and dissolve the FBI. They can tell each other how patriotic they were while they rot in the detention center the GOP wouldn't let him close. Not that he'll ever do it.

Of course he won't do it ... its unconstitutional. Congress makes laws, the President executes the laws. Federal law says the FBI will exist until federal law says otherwise. Federal law makes the FBI Director position for a term rather than at will. Federal law requires that already appropriated money must be spent on the FBI and its programs. Obama is not some petty tyrant who can dispense with the law whenever he feels like it just because Trump mean.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 10:47:18 pm »
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ofc obama shouls not and would not "fire" anyone.

otherwise i am pretty sure lot of agents have broken some laws during the last week with all thoae leaks and counter-leaka..probably illegal.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 10:50:29 pm »
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This will only help Donald Trump.

It really depends whether Hillary votes can be extracted because of this.

By itself, perhaps not, but when put in combination with the other FBI investigation, this could be very damaging.

Trump has momentum, but he needs to make up a lot of ground in difficult states like Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 11:01:58 pm »
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Good.

Little by little you create this narrative.
Little by little Clinton's trustworthiness erodes.
Little by little Reps come home.
Little by little Dems start to doubt.

Little. By little. Hope it will be enough on Nov 8.
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 11:03:28 pm »
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It's terrible news for her. The Clinton foundation is really a sham that spends very little on real charity and mostly on paying its own employees.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 11:07:08 pm »
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everyone who follows the story knows by now that even the WSJ has torn apart fox's narrative.

if the point is, the FBI destroying itself somehow hurts clinton - be my guest.

i would love to see a daily tracker for the general trustworthiness of the FBI.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 11:07:37 pm »
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lmao
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 11:07:45 pm »
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everyone who follows the story knows by now that even the WSJ has torn apart fox's narrative.

if the point is, the FBI destroying itself somehow hurts clinton - be my guest.

i would love to see a daily tracker for the general trustworthiness of the FBI.

Yep. HuffPo did the same and CNN is ignoring it entirely. The headlines today is the Cubs game.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 11:15:06 pm »
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everyone who follows the story knows by now that even the WSJ has torn apart fox's narrative.

if the point is, the FBI destroying itself somehow hurts clinton - be my guest.

i would love to see a daily tracker for the general trustworthiness of the FBI.

Yep. HuffPo did the same and CNN is ignoring it entirely. The headlines today is the Cubs game.
Even if it is true, you can't say, that there is no "similar" stories? One similar story here, one there. Each by itself are minor and almost as a noise, but togehter they create a narrative that leads to:

Only 27% thinks Clinton is honest and trustworthy.

           

I can't pretend that it is coming from nowhere, but those minor articles [and bigger of course, as FBI "story"]
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2016, 11:17:06 pm »
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everyone who follows the story knows by now that even the WSJ has torn apart fox's narrative.

if the point is, the FBI destroying itself somehow hurts clinton - be my guest.

i would love to see a daily tracker for the general trustworthiness of the FBI.

Yep. HuffPo did the same and CNN is ignoring it entirely. The headlines today is the Cubs game.
Even if it is true, you can't say, that there is no "similar" stories? One similar story here, one there. Each by itself are minor and almost as a noise, but togehter they create a narrative that leads to:

Only 27% thinks Clinton is honest and trustworthy.

           

I can't pretend that it is coming from nowhere, but those minor articles [and bigger of course, as FBI "story"]

The stories now are FBI going off the rails, the Trump child rape case, the Trump tax dodging issues, and the GOP promising to stonewall the supreme court for eternity. Take your pick as to which is negative for Hillary.

You are also forgetting the e-mail thing fell off quickly, as evidenced in the MU-Law poll posted earlier today. If anything, it made people even less sensitive/more tired of the ridiculousness of it all.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2016, 11:19:01 pm »
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Who thinks it will be Preet who will bring down Hillary?
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2016, 11:19:20 pm »
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everyone who follows the story knows by now that even the WSJ has torn apart fox's narrative.

if the point is, the FBI destroying itself somehow hurts clinton - be my guest.

i would love to see a daily tracker for the general trustworthiness of the FBI.

Yep. HuffPo did the same and CNN is ignoring it entirely. The headlines today is the Cubs game.

OK thanks! I know it'd been bandied about but thought it always looked like a non-story. Then Baier and Hannity (lol) made it their top story tonight so just making sure I was right and didn't have to read anymore.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2016, 11:20:29 pm »
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btw as most number guys stated....trump-hollywood didn't really scare away his voters (just went silent in polls)...and if you think the FBI stuff is worse....have fun.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2016, 11:21:30 pm »
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Who thinks it will be Preet who will bring down Hillary?

Just you.
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